Atheist ads on London buses

Originally Posted by Lain Andrew

Be responsible for your life and use the word I not we.

I atheist is not grammatically correct and as I'm an atheist I have every right to use we atheists...because not all atheists are militant against people of a religious persuasion...I'm not on my own in other words.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by ANTOINE

Depends how the religion is presented and taught.

Most, but the most militant, I'm sure would have no problem with R.E. that teaches children about ALL the main faiths around the world. In fact I think it is essential in todays world.

Exactly, there's a major difference between teaching people about religions and forcing them to participate or forcing beliefs onto them.

Increasing people's knowledge and experiences in a balanced and honest way can only be a good thing.

Well the time has come to leave this thread as it is as predicted gone down the same worn out oft travelled road these type of threads always go down . This really isn't a topic that can ever be rationally debated on CF as there are just way too many people looking for the slightest thing to get defensive about. Also way too much attacking of anything other then what some members believe in i really can't be bothered anymore. Each to their own whatever that may be and lets all just get along.

[downquark1]

In honour of Mary Kenny

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Exactly, there's a major difference between teaching people about religions and forcing them to participate or forcing beliefs onto them.

Increasing people's knowledge and experiences in a balanced and honest way can only be a good thing.

You may be surprised to hear that a great many of the Christians I know, including ones whose job is to offer their services to schools to take assemblies or contribute to RE lessons, entirely agree with you.

[roadwolf]

You only have to attend one of their dreary humanist funerals to see that – I am never going to another of those, just to be made miserable. Quote by Mary Kenny. So is she elated normally at funerals?.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Chris

You may be surprised to hear that a great many of the Christians I know, including ones whose job is to offer their services to schools to take assemblies or contribute to RE lessons, entirely agree with you.

Doesn't suprise me at all.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Seems like this is in the news again..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7818980.stm

The outcome of Christian Voice's complaint should be interesting to say the least.

The adverts contain the slogan: "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."
But Stephen Green, national director of Christian Voice, said: "There is plenty of evidence for God, from people's personal experience, to the complexity, interdependence, beauty and design of the natural world.
"But there is scant evidence on the other side, so I think the advertisers are really going to struggle to show their claim is not an exaggeration or inaccurate, as the ASA code puts it."
The campaign was dreamed up by comedy writer Ariane Sherine and was supported by scientist and vocal atheist Richard Dawkins.
Hanne Stinson, chief executive of the British Humanist Association, said: "I've sought advice from some of our key people here, but I'm afraid all I've got out of them so far is peals of laughter.
"I am sure that Stephen Green really does think there is a great deal of evidence for a God (though presumably only the one that he believes in), but I pity the ASA if they are going to be expected to rule on the probability of God's existence."

Maybe I object to adverts damming me to hell? Stupid Christian Voice, no problem with their ads being shown, but complain if someone elses is.

[demented]

Bit silly imho. The campaign started two days ago and not seen any mention of it in national (not local) news. The number of places seems to have morphed into something more ambitious than originally stated. Apparently there are some in Sheffield but I haven't seen any.

I just find the whole conversation between fanatical atheist and theist totally boring and immensely tedious.

There are enough divisions in the world without coming up with another

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

The danger of Christian Voice's action is that they, I assume, will have to prove the existence of God for their claim to succeed. I think they should have just left it alone.

[rogerdraig]

lol find it quite funny that Richard Dawkins and his friends arnt sure enough about their beliefs to put "THERE IS NO GOD" and rather opted for the word "PROBABLY"

Its also quite funny that Stephen Green is not sure that god "Vengence is mine" cant take care of himself if need be and is complaining about the adverts

ive seen better debates name calling on the school yard

The word 'Probably' was a wise choice, it will make it difficult for Christian Voice to be successful. They used it because no matter how strong your atheism is, you cannot disprove god (in fact, you can't prove a negative anyway)

I just find Christian Voice's actions rather hypocritical, this campaign was started in a response to their adverts about people going to hell. What is the difference other than this campaign is not as nasty?

[demented]

Dawkins is well known to prefer the phrase "almost certainly". Probably may be amusing to some as it is already in popular use in carlsberg ads so it's an addition whilst keeping entirely with advertising culture.