Scores die in Israeli air strikes - Page 3

Uncle Peter · 27-12-2008, 17:27

Israel's response is disproportionate only because they have vast amounts of military firepower and technology at their disposal. Hamas do not. If the boot were on the other foot I'm sure that we wouldn't be seeing anything different to what's happened over the past couple of days.

Both sides have valid grievances but neither are willing to resolve them in a reasonable and sensible manner.

**Hugh** · 27-12-2008, 17:32

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No, Iran is not a warmonger, they have not started a war in over 400 years

Your dates are a little out - Iran invaded India in 1734, invaded Russia in 1826 - but hey, what's a couple of hundred years between friends.

btw, the wonderful non-warmongering Iranians - weren't they the ones who sent human waves against the Iraqis to be mown down? Also, didn't they turn down the Saudi cease-fire option after Iraq withdrew their forces in 1982, and invaded Iraq in June of '82?

chaos23 · 27-12-2008, 18:01

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Your dates are a little out - Iran invaded India in 1734, invaded Russia in 1826 - but hey, what's a couple of hundred years between friends.

btw, the wonderful non-warmongering Iranians - weren't they the ones who sent human waves against the Iraqis to be mown down? Also, didn't they turn down the Saudi cease-fire option after Iraq withdrew their forces in 1982, and invaded Iraq in June of '82?

I accept that, 1826 was the last time iran invaded another country. Still, its not recent is it. The Iraq - Iran war was started by the Iranians, it was started by Iraq - backed by the US. They Invaded NO ONE. But the israelis are thinking about invading Gaza just today!! As well as dropping bombs on innocent women and children as we speak.

Xaccers · 27-12-2008, 18:11

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Originally Posted by chaos23

I accept that, 1826 was the last time iran invaded another country. Still, its not recent is it. The Iraq - Iran war was started by the Iranians, it was started by Iraq - backed by the US. They Invaded NO ONE. But the israelis are thinking about invading Gaza just today!! As well as dropping bombs on innocent women and children as we speak.

Your lack of knowledge/understanding of the middle east is quick shocking you know.

chaos23 · 27-12-2008, 18:15

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Your lack of knowledge/understanding of the middle east is quick shocking you know.

There is no substance to your ramblings.....

Xaccers · 27-12-2008, 18:20

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Originally Posted by chaos23

There is no substance to your ramblings.....

Apparently there was enough though.

**Hugh** · 27-12-2008, 19:05

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Originally Posted by chaos23

I accept that, 1826 was the last time iran invaded another country. Still, its not recent is it. The Iraq - Iran war was started by the Iranians, it was started by Iraq - backed by the US. They Invaded NO ONE. But the israelis are thinking about invading Gaza just today!! As well as dropping bombs on innocent women and children as we speak.

I totally agree that Iraq started the war - but in 1981, Iran turned down the offer of a ceasefire whilst Iraq still held any Iranian territory (quite rightly, imho) - however, when they finally drove the Iraqis out of Iran, a ceasefire was offered to Iran, which they turned down - they then continued into Iraq (which most people would call "invading").

BBC

"By 1982 Iranian forces had regained the territory they had lost and pushed across the border into Iraq. Khomeini rejected an Iraqi offer of a ceasefire.

So although Baghdad had started the war, it was Khomeini who prolonged it."

Which appears to contradict your proposition that the Iranians weren't "warmongers".

**Maggy** · 27-12-2008, 19:08

OK here we are again talking about Iraq when the title of this thread clearly indicates that the subject is the death toll in the Gaza air strikes by the Israelis.

I suggest that those who want to discuss Iraq or Iran, open a thread on that subject.Just leave it out of this thread.

Maribel · 27-12-2008, 20:56

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Originally Posted by Uncle Peter

Israel's response is disproportionate only because they have vast amounts of military firepower and technology at their idsposal. Hamas do not. If the boot were on the other foot I'm sure that we wouldn't be seeing anything different to what's happened over the past couple of days.

Both sides have valid grievances but neither are willing to resolve them in a reasonable and sensible manner.

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To be honest, I was told that the Israelis had their own satellite spying satelitte(=viewing) the Hamas rocket lunching facilities. The Israeli gov withdrew the funding few months ago, thus their accuracy was gone. Whatever the reason, the Israelis are criminals for killing 115 arabs.

Xaccess & foreverwar get off chaos, this is a forum and not a bully ground.

**Hugh** · 27-12-2008, 20:57

Maribel,

forwarding salient facts is not bullying - if people post incorrect data, should it be left to stand?

I thought forums were about airing differing viewpoints?

btw, people seem to forget the over 100 rocket and mortar attacks in past week from Gaza into Israel - or don't they count?

Maribel · 27-12-2008, 21:14

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Maribel,

forwarding salient facts is not bullying - if people post incorrect data, should it be left to stand?

I thought forums were about airing differing viewpoints?

btw, people seem to forget the over 100 rocket and mortar attacks in past week from Gaza into Israel - or don't they count?

over 100 rockets??? versus how many annexations in West Bank or Jerusalem?

To all: did you buy dill from any supermarket? it now says grown in "west bank". Milliband wanted to ban it but arabs (=Palestinians) were growing it and the Israelis were selling it

Uncle Peter · 27-12-2008, 21:26

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Originally Posted by Maribel

To be honest, I was told that the Israelis had their own satellite spying satelitte(=viewing) the Hamas rocket lunching facilities.

Yes they have a few including commercial imagery sats which they use on an ad-hoc basis. AFAIK these rockets are not launched from a "facility", they are man-portable and launched from wherever is deemed appropriate.

chaos23 · 27-12-2008, 23:07

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Your lack of knowledge/understanding of the middle east is quick shocking you know.

The word is Quite

SB_07 · 27-12-2008, 23:16

Israel disgusts me. They have illegaly occupied Palestine for 60 years but everytime the UN has a vote....America uses its veto power to stop anything being done.

frogstamper · 28-12-2008, 01:12

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

btw, people seem to forget the over 100 rocket and mortar attacks in past week from Gaza into Israel - or don't they count?

A salient fact most people tend to disregard, its the loonies on both sides that keep this tragic situation running.
Nutters firing rockets indescrimately into Israeli towns week after week is bound to bring a response, and anybody who has followed this mess over the years know only to well that the Israeli response will be brutal.
The current stand-off has gotten nowhere since the 67 war, it must be plain to both sides the only real solution is a deal akin to the road-map, there is no military solution for either side.
Also general elections are due soon in Israel, so I imagine any future leader wants to come across as tough, but what worries me is that the Israeli's are now more likely to vote in the hard liners from Likud.