Atheist ads on London buses

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

What's wrong with affirming your atheism by giving the money to the Salvation Army instead?Or Childline..or any one of hundreds of poorly supported charities...After all atheists as moral as the next theist surely?

How would giving money to one of these charities get their message across?

Unless the Salvation Army would be willing to show the poster instead of the buses.

Your own disposable income can be spent as and how you like, peed against the wall, backing slow horses, gifts for fast loose women or posters on buses.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by supremus

I take that view with a lot of people who claim to be christian. I wouldn't want to make any unfair or uninformed comments about our resident bible-huggers, but 9 out of 10 christians I have come across, and I mean people I've had the time to gain real insight into, have turned out to be truly appalling people who hide behind a religious facade, but who in reality distort and pervert the true message of their supposed faith, and they're the kind of people who would be up in arms about an ad like this appearing on the side of a bus.

Not really anything to do with this thread now is it?

[Zee]

Its a load of rubbish and a waste of money

Originally Posted by Escapee

How would giving money to one of these charities get their message across?

Unless the Salvation Army would be willing to show the poster instead of the buses.

Your own disposable income can be spent as and how you like, peed against the wall, backing slow horses, gifts for fast loose women or posters on buses.

So what is the message?

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

So what is the message?

If you are refering to the advert, I would say the advert promotes atheists to think about something that is not a consideration in their everyday life.

Atheism is a term used to describe people who believe there is no god, and like the term Christian it covers a wide flavour of views. Many religious people believe atheists are complete non believers, not very good people and go around denouncing christ / god.

That veiw is about as accurate as those non believers who beleive all Christians are bible bashing sandal wearing loonies.

The term Atheist is unfortunately used to include those of us who beleive that the bible may be a very innacurate publication, based on disorted reports.

The term Atheist should be considered a derogatory term because it's use implies that god is fact and the Atheist is a non believer in fact.

Back to the advert, I believe they will make people give a thought about the whole subject, in fact it may even make some who never give it a thought take an interest in religion and possibly gain some much needed new members at church.

I am safe to post such things at this time on a Sunday.

Originally Posted by Escapee

If you are refering to the advert, I would say the advert promotes atheists to think about something that is not a consideration in their everyday life.

Atheism is a term used to describe people who believe there is no god, and like the term Christian it covers a wide flavour of views. Many religious people believe atheists are complete non believers, not very good people and go around denouncing christ / god.

That veiw is about as accurate as those non believers who beleive all Christians are bible bashing sandal wearing loonies.

The term Atheist is unfortunately used to include those of us who beleive that the bible may be a very innacurate publication, based on disorted reports.

The term Atheist should be considered a derogatory term because it's use implies that god is fact and the Atheist is a non believer in fact.

Back to the advert, I believe they will make people give a thought about the whole subject, in fact it may even make some who never give it a thought take an interest in religion and possibly gain some much needed new members at church.

I am safe to post such things at this time on a Sunday.

Atheist

atheism noun the belief that there is no god. atheist noun. atheistic or atheistical adj. atheistically adverb. Compare agnosticism under agnostic, theism, deism.
ETYMOLOGY: 16c: from Greek atheos godless.

theism noun the belief in the existence of God or a god, especially one revealed supernaturally to humans. Compare deism, agnosticism under agnostic, atheism. theist noun. theistic adj.
ETYMOLOGY: 17c: from Greek theos god.


so how is the word atheist a derogatory term?

I have NEVER been penalised by anyone for my beliefs or lack of them.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Escapee

If you are referring to the advert, I would say the advert promotes atheists to think about something that is not a consideration in their everyday life.

Atheism is a term used to describe people who believe there is no god, and like the term Christian it covers a wide flavour of views. Many religious people believe atheists are complete non believers, not very good people and go around denouncing christ / god.

That view is about as accurate as those non believers who believe all Christians are bible bashing sandal wearing loonies.

The term Atheist is unfortunately used to include those of us who believe that the bible may be a very innacurate publication, based on distorted reports.

The term Atheist should be considered a derogatory term because it's use implies that god is fact and the Atheist is a non believer in fact.

Back to the advert, I believe they will make people give a thought about the whole subject, in fact it may even make some who never give it a thought take an interest in religion and possibly gain some much needed new members at church.

I am safe to post such things at this time on a Sunday.

Excellent post sir.

I find it hard sometimes to understand why when i say i don't believe in the Bible or an all powerful god i am automatically seen as a bad person who should be converted to the good book . I believe what i believe and at this time in my life i have not done time in jail or been in constant contact with the police or robbed some old ladies and i certainly don't worship the devil .

However I do like a bit of gratuitous violence in Cod4 at a night time at NTHWGaming.co.uk . maybe that's what not believing in a story book does to you.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Not really anything to do with this thread now is it?

It most certainly was. Not only was it a direct response to a point made by a moderator, it was also a comment on the sort of people who might take this kind of advertising personally. I've often found that bad christians have a tendency to always play the victims, so much so that it borders on outright paranoia. One guy I know goes ballistic every year when people send him cards with the word Xmas, because he thinks that spelling it with an X is an attack on his "faith". I'm quite sure he would take up arms to prevent an ad like this appearing on the side of a bus.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Atheist

atheism noun the belief that there is no god. atheist noun. atheistic or atheistical adj. atheistically adverb. Compare agnosticism under agnostic, theism, deism.
ETYMOLOGY: 16c: from Greek atheos godless.

theism noun the belief in the existence of God or a god, especially one revealed supernaturally to humans. Compare deism, agnosticism under agnostic, atheism. theist noun. theistic adj.
ETYMOLOGY: 17c: from Greek theos god.


so how is the word atheist a derogatory term?

I have NEVER been penalised by anyone for my beliefs or lack of them.

The wide use of the term is derogatory, because the term is somewhat black or white.

The term was obviously derived by religious believers who have tarred everyone with the same brush. How can someone who has an open view and are willing to make their mind up based on true facts, if and when 'proof' is povided be considered an Atheist or non-believer.

I could for example come out with a statement saying that I believe we were created by a god, but consider the bible to be a load of inaacurate rubbish.

How would I then be described, Atheist, Christian, Believer, non Believer ?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by supremus

It most certainly was. Not only was it a direct response to a point made by a moderator, it was also a comment on the sort of people who might take this kind of advertising personally. I've often found that bad christians have a tendency to always play the victims, so much so that it borders on outright paranoia. One guy I know goes ballistic every year when people send him cards with the word Xmas, because he thinks that spelling it with an X is an attack on his "faith". I'm quite sure he would take up arms to prevent an ad like this appearing on the side of a bus.

Ok then. Feel free to demonstrate your distain for some Christian types safe in the knowledge that while belong in the other thread, you are permitted to post it off topic here

There are to be no more off topic postings from ANYONE..or there will be warnings and infractions issued...

[supremus]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Ok then. Feel free to demonstrate your distain for some Christian types safe in the knowledge that while belong in the other thread, you are permitted to post it off topic here

I wouldn't want you to turn a blind eye (or the other cheek) to rampant off-topicness, but as I explained, it was perfectly relevant to the subject at hand, particularly as relates to how certain people might react to this kind of advertising, which I thought was made very clear even in my first post. Let's leave it at that.

[downquark1]

Take it to the other thread. This thread is about the poll.

[danielf]

^^

[demented]

I voted yes, it gives a voice to atheists. This is not a particularly solid "yes" as I have ambivalent feelings about it but I won't post anymore as it would probably be deemed off topic. On balance in the current climate, I think it weighs in favour of yes, just. Even if I did disagree with it I'd vote yes, for other reasons.