Brown on the ropes?

[Osem]

One good thing about the financial 'crisis' - the amount of junk mail offering us credit cards, loans, balance transfers, equity release schemes etc. etc. has dried right up. Small comfort really though......

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by Osem

One good thing about the financial 'crisis' - the amount of junk mail offering us credit cards, loans, balance transfers, equity release schemes etc. etc. has dried right up. Small comfort really though......

True. The banks and building societies are reverting back to the management style they used before sub-prime lending.

Now, you will only get a mortgage or a loan if you have an excellent credit rating, own your own house and present a minimal non-repayment risk.

Pity they did not stick to this old tried and trusted management style because had they done so we would not be in the financial mess we are in.

[Osem]

Despite protestations to the contrary:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7618362.stm

it appears David Cairns is indeed about to resign.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4766887.ece

[Osem]

Given the serious mire UK PLC finds itself in, good old prudent, listening, Gordy has largely been conspicuous by his absence so far as I can see. Perhaps the financial crisis coupled with the inflation and unemployment statistics has something to do with that. How many times did Brown proudly proclaim he'd broken the cycle of boom and bust??..... Blah, blah, blah.....

[Osem]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7622324.stm

Blah, blah, blah....... Heard it all too many times from both Bliar and Brown over the years.

Originally Posted by Osem

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7622324.stm

Blah, blah, blah....... Heard it all too many times from both Bliar and Brown over the years.

It really is getting very, very tiresome.

So whom you do fancy in place of Gordon Brown?

I know that in reality you want a general election but it's not going to happen just yet so whom do we get to replace the man.

To be truthful I can't think of anyone from the present camp..but then I've no time for most politicians whatever their party.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

So whom you do fancy in place of Gordon Brown?

I know that in reality you want a general election but it's not going to happen just yet so whom do we get to replace the man.

To be truthful I can't think of anyone from the present camp..but then I've no time for most politicians whatever their party.

That's like asking whether I'd prefer a lethal injection or the firing squad. I prefer to make life as hard as possible for the executioner. He can choose for himself. I'm screwed either way.

Frankly, the exact manner of Labour's demise is neither here nor there. What concerns me is that the longer they spend dying, the greater mess we will all be in. Someone, anyone, from within the Labour party is a good thing because they know fine well that whoever it is will find the country totally ungovernable without the mandate of a fresh General Election.

Any New Labour Leader = Election Sooner Rather Than Later. And that's all that matters.

[Xaccers]

If they're not going to hold a general election on change of primeminister, then I say keep Brown, he's one of the best assets the Tories and Libdems have
I'm begining to think it's time for a proper change and have the libdems in opposition against the tories, with labour decimated.
Best outcome of the next election? All cabinet members lose not only their seats but their deposits

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Chris

Any New Labour Leader = Election Sooner Rather Than Later. And that's all that matters.

Sadly I think they know they'll be screwed for the next 10-12 years and will cling to power by their fingertips and try to get some 'unpopular' legislation through before they get turfed out.

[LondonRoad]

There isn't a major difference between the main parties. Labour have really continued the demise of the country that the Tories started.... and the cycle will continue after the next election.

If we really want to see a difference then I believe we have to look at the whole way the country is governed. For a start a change to in the electoral system to Proportional Representation may attract a different type of politician, rather than the grey suited career politicians we have at present.

Originally Posted by harmitage

There isn't a major difference between the main parties. Labour have really continued the demise of the country that the Tories started.... and the cycle will continue after the next election.

If we really want to see a difference then I believe we have to look at the whole way the country is governed. For a start a change to in the electoral system to Proportional Representation may attract a different type of politician, rather than the grey suited career politicians we have at present.

I don't think the Tories 'started' the demise of the country and nor do I think Labour continued it. I think both did good and bad things, but thiscountry is not "going to hell in a handcart".

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Damien

I don't think the Tories 'started' the demise of the country and nor do I think Labour continued it. I think both did good and bad things, but thiscountry is not "going to hell in a handcart".

I certainly hope we're not "going to hell in hand cart" - what ever that means but I do think that since the 70s our politicians have supervised the gradual demise of this Country. They have sold the family silver cheaply(Privatisation), destroyed most of our manufacturing industry and our now mortgaging our children's futures (PFI).

Originally Posted by harmitage

I certainly hope we're not "going to hell in hand cart" - what ever that means but I do think that since the 70s our politicians have supervised the gradual demise of this Country. They have sold the family silver cheaply(Privatisation), destroyed most of our manufacturing industry and our now mortgaging our children's futures (PFI).

Don't know anything about the last one, PFI, but the other two seem like a natural progression rather than a 'demise'. We live in the information economy

[Osem]

PFI is a ticking timebomb.