2 lines not possible !! - Page 2

maureen2317 · 17-09-2008, 20:55

Sorry to go off-topic slightly but say VM so no (which seems they probably will) what are my options?. The other ISP seem to require a BT phone line. As i obviously have a VM one i would be reluctant to have 2 phone providers. Are there any that dont require BT lines.

BenMcr · 17-09-2008, 20:57

Not unless you have a mobile broadband service

17-09-2008, 21:43

Just 2 things really.

1. We have 2 accounts where I live (mum has 4meg on a 120 modem and I have 20meg on a 255 modem) We also hve a STB each for our accounts.

2. 20meg should be more then enough. I run a pc, laptop, xbox live, ds, wii, psp and have no problems on a decent router.

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Originally Posted by maureen2317

Sorry to go off-topic slightly but say VM so no (which seems they probably will) what are my options?. The other ISP seem to require a BT phone line. As i obviously have a VM one i would be reluctant to have 2 phone providers. Are there any that dont require BT lines.

I would suspect your not allowed 2 accounts personally, but if it was in another name and they rented a room of you, that should go through. I told them I rent this bedroom and got a wayleave form sent to my folks.

17-09-2008, 21:50

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Originally Posted by Slyder

Just 2 things really.

1. We have 2 accounts where I live (mum has 4meg on a 120 modem and I have 20meg on a 255 modem) We also hve a STB each for our accounts.

2. 20meg should be more then enough. I run a pc, laptop, xbox live, ds, wii, psp and have no problems on a decent router.

This scenario has not been possible since the April/May NTL billing migration, you can now only have one modem per residential property ( excluding all legacy deals such as this one )

If you want 2 modems per property now then you will need a BT line and set up another account on a phone line and keep your existing Virginmedia Cable connection.

maureen2317 · 17-09-2008, 21:55

What about all the modems on ebay?. Excuse the ignorance. They say they are falshed or something. Not sure what any of it means but im guessing its leagal as ebay would of removed them otherwise. Could this be an option for me?.

17-09-2008, 22:04

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If you buy a second hand modem of Ebay then you will be receiving stolen goods, because at all times the modem remains the property of Virginmedia, also the modem will not work as it cannot be added to your account by any one but Virginmedia, and therefore its only use would be as a paperweight.
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popper · 17-09-2008, 22:04

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

Not unless you have a mobile broadband service

your forgetting fixed wimax broadband such as the west manchester summerfield branded packages if your in that area for instance.

3G mobile does give you around 4 Mbit download and 200Kbit upload that i tested on the lads orange school provided kit, you would have to make sure you are on a real unlimited FIXED BB connection though or run the risk of massive bills for per Mbit download/upload OC.

thats were wimax will be far better they are fixed cost per month data pipes .. and potentially even using a real 1/1 ratio and thats a very good thing

the other options are close your Virgin Media phoneline but keeping the single Cable modem account active and use that saved money to get a BT phoneline (dont get BT retail BB unless you want phorm spying on everythng you and your family buy and do online)installed and go for say Be* or Sky with one of their cheap TV/BB deals.

or get two BT phonelines fitted that are stated for BB use then get 2 BB accounts for your use of all the 3 Xbox260s and PC kit you want to use at the same time.

any more than this one time fitting and monthy running costs and your probably better looking at wireless point to (multi)point WISPs (wireless ISPs) and direct to data center WiMax, i dont know the current monthy costs of any service like that wereever you might be?, but if you can collect up several locals to contribute and share then it makes it really viable costs wise today,the wired internet provider isnt required today if you shop around and its getting cheaper by the month.

if Virgin Media cant or wont provide you with what you want to pay for, then these are some of your options (but your going to need to get a little tech help as noones started any small business around supplying fitting this wireless 3rd party kit as yet).

maureen2317 · 17-09-2008, 22:09

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Originally Posted by whydoIneedatech

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If you buy a second hand modem of Ebay then you will be receiving stolen goods, because at all times the modem remains the property of Virginmedia, also the modem will not work as it cannot be added to your account by any one but Virginmedia, and therefore its only use would be as a paperweight.
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So if they are illegal why have they not been removed and the people sending them prosecuted. Also how come they all have positive feedback if they dont actually work?
Sorry just desperate to find answers to questions

piggy · 17-09-2008, 22:12

two/three modems per property is still possible it just needs a variation on the address eg room 1 at.....normal address, this still goes on in the student areas all the time

**Maggy** · 17-09-2008, 22:14

All I can say is it's extremely short sighted of Virgin Media...and to the OP that it would appear you may have to wait for 50MB (at an increased cost) or go for a BT line and the VM 20MB or even no VM at all...I'm pretty sure any other ISP will give you what you want...

If you leave VM be sure to tell them why.

17-09-2008, 22:19

Your best bet is to get a wireless router as it gives you 4 Ethernet ports you can use to connect 4 separate devices to your modem and it is legal, you do not have to use it wirelessly just leave the antenna off it.

If you buy a modem of Ebay and it does not work who can you complain to? Virgin? no because the modem is not on your account, the seller? no because they have your money, Ebay? no because they will sell anything that comes with a disclaimer in the sellers terms and conditions.

The is only one option out of the 2 above that will not loose you money, the router option.

The are 6 wireless routers listed on this PC World link below priced at Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£29.99 with a minimum 12 months guarantee.

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/sto...&show_all=true

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Originally Posted by piggy

two/three modems per property is still possible it just needs a variation on the address eg room 1 at.....normal address, this still goes on in the student areas all the time

Try and get one in a normal residential property

piggy · 17-09-2008, 22:26

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Originally Posted by whydoIneedatech

Your best bet is to get a wireless router as it gives you 4 Ethernet ports you can use to connect 4 separate devices to your modem and it is legal, you do not have to use it wirelessly just leave the antenna off it.

If you buy a modem of Ebay and it does not work who can you complain to? Virgin? no because the modem is not on your account, the seller? no because they have your money, Ebay? no because they will sell anything that comes with a disclaimer in the sellers terms and conditions.

The is only one option out of the 2 above that will not loose you money, the router option.

The are 6 wireless routers listed on this PC World link below priced at Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£29.99 with a minimum 12 months guarantee.

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/sto...&show_all=true

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Try and get one in a normal residential property

the student houses are normal propertys and it happens all the time, dont get me wrong i wish it wouldnt it would make my life easier but i checked with the salesman who was door knocking only last week a simple adjustment to the address works everytime.

17-09-2008, 22:29

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Originally Posted by whydoIneedatech

This scenario has not been possible since the April/May NTL billing migration, you can now only have one modem per residential property ( excluding all legacy deals such as this one )

If you want 2 modems per property now then you will need a BT line and set up another account on a phone line and keep your existing Virginmedia Cable connection.

I had mine setup this month, but my mum still has an NTL account number, so thats probably why then. Thanks for explaining

maureen2317 · 17-09-2008, 22:35

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Originally Posted by whydoIneedatech

Your best bet is to get a wireless router as it gives you 4 Ethernet ports you can use to connect 4 separate devices to your modem and it is legal, you do not have to use it wirelessly just leave the antenna off it.

If you buy a modem of Ebay and it does not work who can you complain to? Virgin? no because the modem is not on your account, the seller? no because they have your money, Ebay? no because they will sell anything that comes with a disclaimer in the sellers terms and conditions.

The is only one option out of the 2 above that will not loose you money, the router option.

The are 6 wireless routers listed on this PC World link below priced at Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£29.99 with a minimum 12 months guarantee.

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/sto...&show_all=true

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Try and get one in a normal residential property

It wont matter wether i have the best router and a million ports if the speed isnt enough then surely thats not the issue.
For the record though i do have the 20mb line to a 4 port router. 1 port for 1 xbox downstairs, 2nd port to a pc downstairs and another port that goes to a network plug that send the signals through my house wiring system. The kids have a plug each upstairs and use them between xbox's and pc's. Like i said originally 4 xbox's and 5 pc's. Obviously they are not all on all of the time. But its not uncommon to have 3 xbox's and a pc or 2 on at 1 time.
The network plugs helped greatly as the wireless just were terrible.

popper · 17-09-2008, 22:38

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Originally Posted by whydoIneedatech

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If you buy a second hand modem of Ebay then you will be receiving stolen goods, because at all times the modem remains the property of Virginmedia, also the modem will not work as it cannot be added to your account by any one but Virginmedia, and therefore its only use would be as a paperweight.
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more assumptions again i see WDINAT, i refer you to
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12...l#post34637237