Brown on the ropes? - Page 9

04-08-2008, 01:30

Well given brownshirt is still taking advice from ol'tone i am sure he has some idea how blair feels. That really sums brownshirt up he schemes to remove blair and then takes advice from him on the job he has seeked for so long pathetic really.

Osem · 04-08-2008, 08:31

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Originally Posted by Damien

What I find interesting is that Blair is alleged to have written those comments during September before everything went wrong for Brown. You wonder if Brown was made aware of the feelings at the time..

Doubt it. Brown's opponents have clearly been biding their time. Cast your mind back to when Brown assumed control and he enjoyed something of a prolonged honeymoon period. Seems absurd to think of now of course, given everything that's gone wrong for him ever since....

Anyway it;ll be interesting to see how Gordy reacts to what's been going on. Will he be tough and decisive and get shot of Milliband or will he contimue to act like a rabbit caught in car headlights....

Xaccers · 04-08-2008, 10:03

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Originally Posted by Damien

What I find interesting is that Blair is alleged to have written those comments during September before everything went wrong for Brown. You wonder if Brown was made aware of the feelings at the time..

It's a great way of diverting the blame squarely onto Brown by saying he junked Bliar's agenda.
"No squire, not my fault, he didn't do what I said, if he had, things obviously would have been better" while totally ignoring that Bliar was destroying the nation since '97 anyway.

Osem · 13-09-2008, 10:27

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7613701.stm

.....and so the leadership challenge begins??.. If so, who's going to be brave or stupid enough to grasp the posioned chalice?

Xaccers · 13-09-2008, 13:12

Hmm, been thinking, and if they accept they're going to lose the next election, by getting rid of Brown and then calling for an election, they'll at least go out on a slight upward turn in a lot of peoples' minds.
They just need someone to take that fall.

Sirius · 13-09-2008, 14:33

Bring it on, the sooner He's gone the better.

sir_drinks_alot · 13-09-2008, 14:40

brown is the new Alec Douglas Home

only he would have been PM a shorter time than brown

Osem · 13-09-2008, 17:07

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Hmm, been thinking, and if they accept they're going to lose the next election, by getting rid of Brown and then calling for an election, they'll at least go out on a slight upward turn in a lot of peoples' minds.
They just need someone to take that fall.

Agree. Been saying that for ages - best to get shot ASAP, accept the next election is lost (almost certainly) and start to rebuild...... All they need is a half decent fall guy and a new name. How about 'New New Labour' ???..

alferret · 13-09-2008, 20:09

Running scared thats what brown is. Seems like everyone who has the brass ones to stand up and say "lets look for a new leader" is getting canned.

13-09-2008, 21:09

Brown has always been a political coward and it is no surprise that now he has the top job he is again choking so much. My only concern is how much damage he will do as his revenge before we have a chance to get rid of him he is a very petty person and if he see's himself going down he will try and take others with him and maybe the UK as well.

**Damien** · 13-09-2008, 21:51

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Brown has always been a political coward and it is no surprise that now he has the top job he is again choking so much. My only concern is how much damage he will do as his revenge before we have a chance to get rid of him he is a very petty person and if he see's himself going down he will try and take others with him and maybe the UK as well.

Sorry, but how do you know this? We don't know the guy's motivations or personality. For all we know he is a decent man, who (imo) is simply not cut out to be PM.

I don't understand the trend to have a personal dislike of every politician. This country is obsessed with getting personal about these people when I think in most cases they are not the Machiavellian devils they are portrayed to be

alferret · 13-09-2008, 21:57

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Originally Posted by Damien

Sorry, but how do you know this? We don't know the guy's motivations or personality. For all we know he is a decent man, who (imo) is simply not cut out to be PM.

I don't understand the trend to have a personal dislike of every politician. This country is obsessed with getting personal about these people when I think in most cases they are not the Machiavellian devils they are portrayed to be

As a 22yr old Damien I'm sure you have a wealth of experience.
Having lived through more Labour years than I care to remember and being no fan of Labour all I can say is that IMO Brown is spineless, he isnt decent, because if he was he would do the right thing, step down and allow a general election to be called.
This country isnt as you put it "obsessed" its just that the vast majority of people feel that he is dragging this country down a hole thats gonna take some getting out of.

The bloke isnt and elected prime minister so he doesnt deserve to be where he is.

Sirius · 13-09-2008, 22:03

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Originally Posted by Damien

Sorry, but how do you know this? We don't know the guy's motivations or personality. For all we know he is a decent man, who (do) is simply not cut out to be PM.

I don't understand the trend to have a personal dislike of every politician. This country is obsessed with getting personal about these people when I think in most cases they are not the Machiavellian devils they are portrayed to be :emo:

I have no time for him simply because he has been in charge of the purse strings for years. All that mismanagement is now coming home to bite Labour on the arse and he and his party will find out what we think of him and them, when we get the chance to kick there collective arse's down the road at the election.

I for one will dance in the street when Labour get the big heave ho. My only concern is we could end up with a bunch of tree hugging libs who would not defend this country in time of need and who's only task in life would be to destroy this once great country by handing over whats left to Europe.

Osem · 13-09-2008, 22:03

Surely nobody decent would lie and/or spin in the way he and Bliar have done ever since 1997 would they??....

Decent man or not, Brown is certainly not cut out to be PM - He'd make a great King Canute though...

**Damien** · 13-09-2008, 22:03

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Originally Posted by alferret

As a 22yr old Damien I'm sure you have a wealth of experience.
Having lived through more Labour years than I care to remember and being no fan of Labour all I can say is that IMO Brown is spineless, he isnt decent, because if he was he would do the right thing, step down and allow a general election to be called.
This country isnt as you put it "obsessed" its just that the vast majority of people feel that he is dragging this country down a hole thats gonna take some getting out of.

The bloke isnt and elected priminister so he doesnt deserve to be where he is.

Ok, But two things to that:

First of all, I am not saying he is a great PM. All I am saying is that he does not have malicious intent in mind, at least I see no good reason to suspect that. It's quite easy to separate his personality and the politics from this. Stepping down is something that he properly does not want to do because he might believe he can do good (also, I suspect few would want to give up that position so quickly)

Also, My point about obsession is that this public attitude is not something Unique to Brown, or Blair. It's extends to most, of not all, politicians and also other people who serve the public. Such as police and to a lesser extent medical professionals. It's just a disrespect to authority, public service and often times people who have achieved something.