Virginmedia Are Broadband Scammers

[Fatec]

Originally Posted by raycable

1. No downloading 4-9pm just surf

STM is 10am-3PM as well...

[buggerlugs]

I have been using this free software for a couple of weeks now to monitor all traffic on my router since i learned of VM capping bandwidth.

Its a pain to set up and is a bit flakey but i basically run it on my server 24/7 and it monitors VM limited zones.
when i reach 80% of the allowed cap it emails me, which i get on my main computer and i can then log into the server with remote desktop connection and halt my downloads and/or uploads til that time zone moves.


what I have also learned during this time is that VM dont give me 20mbit. All tests i conduct show it at between 15 and 17mbit with a 600k upload at best.

I've also seen my bandwidth drop down to 50% during the night for no apparent reason and then go back up in the morning.

when i have been capped it has been much more than shown on their charts - often to the point of 56k modem speeds and it gradulally builds up speed over several hours.

I dont belive they run a fair system as they describe and I will continue to suck as much bandwidth as possible - even if i dont want anything

[Rewrew]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

I dont belive they run a fair system as they describe and I will continue to suck as much bandwidth as possible - even if i dont want anything

And that's a fair response to other subscribers is it?

[buggerlugs]

whats your point? Im using what i am paying for legally - in fact im not even using all of it as i stop at 80%

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

I have been using this free software for a couple of weeks now to monitor all traffic on my router since i learned of VM capping bandwidth.

Its a pain to set up and is a bit flakey but i basically run it on my server 24/7 and it monitors VM limited zones.
when i reach 80% of the allowed cap it emails me, which i get on my main computer and i can then log into the server with remote desktop connection and halt my downloads and/or uploads til that time zone moves.


what I have also learned during this time is that VM dont give me 20mbit. All tests i conduct show it at between 15 and 17mbit with a 600k upload at best.

I've also seen my bandwidth drop down to 50% during the night for no apparent reason and then go back up in the morning.

when i have been capped it has been much more than shown on their charts - often to the point of 56k modem speeds and it gradulally builds up speed over several hours.

I dont belive they run a fair system as they describe and I will continue to suck as much bandwidth as possible - even if i dont want anything

Would be nice if you could show some proof..

[Rewrew]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

whats your point? Im using what i am paying for legally - in fact im not even using all of it as i stop at 80%

I don't want to be involved in a flame war but I find the idea of consuming anything because you can, rather than because you have a need, is unhelpful to the rest of society. What would your opinion be of a neighbour who filled his swimming pool at such a rate that your water pressure became too low for your upstairs taps? To prevent such a problem the utility companies have fair usage policies that prevent you drawing water at too high a rate from the system. If you want more water then you need a business supply paid for at business rates. If you want your internet connection of business quality the answer is simple pay business rates for it but while you are on a domestic tariff consider the others that share your bandwidth and only consume what you genuinely need.

In other words "play nicely".

[buggerlugs]

ok here is where they dont give me 20mbit. Ive just tested on 4 sites and this is typical of any day/time

current speed - totally idle connection



Test from: http://www.broadband.co.uk/broadband-speed-test.jsp
Download speed : 13.6Mbps
Upload speed : 0.68Mbps

Test from: http://www.speedtest.d04.net/
1728 K/sec, 13.5 MBit

Test from the link on this forum:
Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:24:10 GMT

Test 1: 1024K took 568 ms = 1802.8 KB/sec, approx 14855 Kbps, 14.51 Mbps
Test 2: 1024K took 559 ms = 1831.8 KB/sec, approx 15094 Kbps, 14.74 Mbps
Test 3: 1024K took 553 ms = 1851.7 KB/sec, approx 15258 Kbps, 14.9 Mbps
Test 4: 2048K took 1156 ms = 1771.6 KB/sec, approx 14598 Kbps, 14.26 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 14951 Kbps, 14.6 Mbps



Here are 2 random image tests of my speed after being capped:

and another


As for the speed drop during the night I cant actually provide proof of that as the software is currently only monitoring the 3 VM timezones and none of those are during the night - I have set up one monitor that works 24/7 now though

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

I will continue to suck as much bandwidth as possible - even if i dont want anything

And it Numpty's like you that make them use STM

I am a heavy user, However i dont download for downloading's sake or to get at VM.

[dev]

wired or wireless?

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by Rewrew

I don't want to be involved in a flame war but I find the idea of consuming anything because you can, rather than because you have a need, is unhelpful to the rest of society. What would your opinion be of a neighbour who filled his swimming pool at such a rate that your water pressure became too low for your upstairs taps? To prevent such a problem the utility companies have fair usage policies that prevent you drawing water at too high a rate from the system. If you want more water then you need a business supply paid for at business rates. If you want your internet connection of business quality the answer is simple pay business rates for it but while you are on a domestic tariff consider the others that share your bandwidth and only consume what you genuinely need.

In other words "play nicely".

Again I'm not sure of your point as you have answered your own question.

I have no responsibilty to you or any other network user. It is VM's draconian throttlling that is the answer for you.

I pay for 20mbit "unlimited use" because that is what i want to use.
VM choose to restrict my 20mbit use quite a lot "to help other networkwork users" - thats your consideration for other people, they have dealt with it.

What I am left with I choose to use as much as i can - that is after they have taken you into consideration. So its not even an issue for you is it.

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Originally Posted by dev

wired or wireless?

wired

---------- Post added at 13:43 ---------- Previous post was at 13:42 ----------

Originally Posted by Sirius

And it Numpty's like you that make them use STM

I am a heavy user, However i dont download for downloading's sake or to get at VM.

Please dont revert to name calling.

You totally miss the point - if it wasnt for their STM i wouldnt need to watch my bandwidth 24/7 and feel that I'm being robbed in the first place.

[dev]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

You totally miss the point - if it wasnt for their STM i wouldnt need to watch my bandwidth 24/7 and feel that I'm being robbed in the first place.

i'd say you're complaining you can't use all the bandwidth you "pay" for and the reason is because there are other people doing what you're doing and that is using their connection with no consideration for others

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by dev

i'd say you're complaining you can't use all the bandwidth you "pay" for and the reason is because there are other people doing what you're doing and that is using their connection with no consideration for others

Ive been paying £25 pcm for a 10mbit connection for months and months and was only told 2 weeks ago they havent even been giving me 5mbit. Have all you people been using bandwidth ive been paying for and not getting?

I would also like to point out again as some people cant understand it - I am using my bandwidth legitimately and within VM restrictions. so why are you all whining and sending nasty messages via karma to me?

Should i (and everyone else) be restricted even further? Maybe customers should only be allowed 1 hour of bandwidth a week?

[Rewrew]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

Again I'm not sure of your point as you have answered your own question.

So you are on a business tariff then? My mistake, I thought you were on XL which is a domestic rate. One difference between a domestic and a business tariff is the contention ratio. A domestic user is typically 50:1 while a business user is 10:1 or better. In other words you have to share your connection with a larger group.

If I understand your earlier postings you seem to be saying that you are downloading content simply because you can but you are justifying it by saying you are still within 80% of your limits. Where is the logic in that? Perhaps you don't realise that such selfish actions are likely backfire not only on yourself but also impact on more altruistic subscribers.

Don't get me wrong. I fully believe in getting what I have paid for and will shout vehemently when I feel I have been poorly treated by any company, large or small (don't get me started on British Gas!) but in this instance I don't see the injustice.

[buggerlugs]

Okay this is your 3rd post here (which seems a lot for someone whos opening line was "I don't want to be involved in a flame war but...") What is your point really? Injustice?

I've never said theres any injustice. I simply shared a link to some software that I was using to monitor bandwidth.
I went on to point out a few observations (low overall speed, extreme capped speeds etc) - I'm not crying they they are giving me a sub-standard service or their capping is far more extreme than they advertise. I've monitored the fact and I accept how they work and ive posted that here.

I summerised that I would therefore use what they give me after their capping and considerations for other network users to its maximum.

Sadly a load of VM STM fanbois who think its incredibly bad that I use the remaining dribble of my connection to its maximum have jumped on me and tried to rip me apart.

Ultimately lifes too short for such drama.

[Kymmy]

We've already had one person infracted for thier behaviour in this thread and if the posts carry on like this there will be more.

So please everyone take a step back, think about what you're typing and then rereead it before hitting the post button