VM position 50 meg as "premium"

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Zhadnost

I thought the trials were somewhere in Kent.

Lenny Henry is from Dudley.

There has been very strong hints floating about the net over the last few days that there are some more trial areas, Dudley was one that was talked about in those conversations. I cannot post links due to the Forums the info was posted on are closed forums.

However they could as is the norm be complete and utter rubbish as some of there past info has been later discovered to be inaccurate and a lot of chinese whispers. Time will tell

Personally i think its all a load of rubbish, I am sure we will find out when VM decide to release the information.

[Fatec]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

You must have some sources to know pricing, VM themselves don't have a confirmed pricing for it last I heard, though I'm not sure what the peeps from Lenny Henry country are paying.

Actually it has been known (by VM bods) what they were going to charge, for quite some time.

Amusingly, as always, alex denied that STM trials were being run for 50Mbit and denied that it had rolled out at the end of the trial

For most it was blatantly obvious that 50Mbit would not be STM free and wouldnt exactly be a premium product like they apparently say.

But yes, i do have some good sources...and indeed the price has gone down, though not by much and with STM the price/premium just is not going to be worth it, still, some muppets will still sign up for it just for bragging rights, those are the customers who VM want though, people who buy it and never use it

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Originally Posted by Sirius

There has been very strong hints floating about the net over the last few days that there are some more trial areas, Dudley was one that was talked about in those conversations. I cannot post links due to the Forums the info was posted on are closed forums.

However they could as is the norm be complete and utter rubbish as some of there past info has been later discovered to be inaccurate and a lot of chinese whispers. Time will tell

Personally i think its all a load of rubbish, I am sure we will find out when VM decide to release the information.

There is 2 more trial areas

[Zhadnost]

Originally Posted by TraxData2

But yes, i do have some good sources...and indeed the price has gone down, though not by much and with STM the price/premium just is not going to be worth it, still, some muppets will still sign up for it just for bragging rights, those are the customers who VM want though, people who buy it and never use it

Some people may upgrade just to get the extra upstream bandwidth.

[Fatec]

Originally Posted by Zhadnost

Some people may upgrade just to get the extra upstream bandwidth.

What, 1.5Mbit?

Which still get's stm'd...would not be worth it

[Zhadnost]

It's more than I can get from any ISP around here, and if you're a heavy uploader, it's still difficult to hit the upload limit.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

I'm interested in why you discuss BT when a better comparison to VM is the LLU operators that cover their areas 100% such as Be, and I'm also interested in why you mentioned Sky enforcing their monthly caps, I'm not aware of them doing such a thing and even if they did £10 for unlimited service is hardly a bank breaker.

50Mbit will have STM I'm afraid, no removal, no negotiation, the rollout of it is complete with STM.

I used BT as its a major isp with millions customers, BE are loss making although a great isp you have to consider without O2 subsidies they probably would be long gone or using similiar measures to BT and co.

Sky I dont mind comparing as a LLU competitor as it has a large customer base and is very favourable to both VM and BT on broadband however is dependent on line length and like BE isnt making money. Indeed £10 is unlimited but the others have caps been enforced now so mentioned it.

I just tried to stop people been misled end of the day, BE is not a typical adsl isp, the typical adsl isp performs and throttles far worse than VM, thats the sad reality.

[Thunderballs]

Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23

I still do not see the point of them needing STM on DOCSIS3 for god sake it can easily handle heavy down loaders doing 50MB. i notice there no mention of the limits on 50MB probably be 8GB down and 2GB up.

Makes me wonder when 24Hour STM is coming. and then will be the time that virgin can no longer claim there service is unlimited.

STM in my mind is all related to the BPI/illegal software download issue.

Id like to bet if Virgin are successful in curtailing customers and or facilitating the prosecution of customers dowloading pirated software etc many of the capacity issues would be overcome until such time as a majority of customers are using the internet for TV/pay per view etc related services. What else is going to eat up the bandwidth on an average domestic connection ?

They nominally get round the issues of STM in the contract we all sign but it remains to be seen if it is enforceable.

The upload is a different matter.

[Rone]

I'd sooner they started with the cloned modems and freeloaders first, they can worry about what or what is'nt copyrighted afterwards.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Rone

I'd sooner they started with the cloned modems and freeloaders first

Never going to happen.

They still make the minimum from the cloners for the phone and free tv, That keeps they connection live and VM see a customer even if they are thieving **** bags who are stealing TV and broadband.

[Fatec]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Never going to happen.

Actually, the last set of hits were only stopped due to problems with the DHCP servers, once the upgrades to them are done, cloners will be stopped (encrypted config rollout will be completed, amongst other things)

Originally Posted by TraxData2

Actually, the last set of hits were only stopped due to problems with the DHCP servers, once the upgrades to them are done, cloners will be stopped (encrypted config rollout will be completed, amongst other things)

Encrypted like this one.

Config file 4k;fg47gtfd

not a genuine one though

[Fatec]

Indeed

however with the 6GB STM limit on 50Mbit i can see cloners finding a way around it.

[hokkers999]

Originally Posted by Zhadnost

It's more than I can get from any ISP around here, and if you're a heavy uploader, it's still difficult to hit the upload limit.

Actually I thought the STM limit kicked in when the *total* transferred exceeded some arbitrary amount, not just the upload part.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by hokkers999

Actually I thought the STM limit kicked in when the *total* transferred exceeded some arbitrary amount, not just the upload part.

Both upload and download are tracked and STM'd rate kicks in according to separate thresholds.

I would what the upload limits on 50Mb will be because with a 1.5Mbit upload wow you can upload so quick