Brown on the ropes? - Page 3

**Chris** · 25-07-2008, 10:06

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

To quote Victor Meldrew "I can't beleeeeeeeeive it!".

I was brought up in Sunny Govan, Glasgow, and people would have voted for a donkey if it wore a Labour rosette - what more evidence does the Labour Party (New or otherwise) need to have to acknowledge they are now disconnected from the electorate?

I'd never have guessed it ... is this your long-lost uncle, then?

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Osem · 25-07-2008, 10:12

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Originally Posted by Chris T

I'd never have guessed it ... is this your long-lost uncle, then?

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Gordon Brown IS Rab C. Nesbitt

25-07-2008, 10:45

Putting aside how we in the these isles seem to feel about him i am more worried about how it all appears internationally as we all know how well politicians do domestically has an impact on what they can achieve abroad. We now really do look like we have a bigger lame duck then george dubya and who the hell would have ever thought that would happen. He has a simple choice he can call an election (snowballs and hell come to mind) or be ousted by his own party which i don't think will actually do them any good.

**Hugh** · 25-07-2008, 10:45

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Originally Posted by Chris T

I'd never have guessed it ... is this your long-lost uncle, then?

, that programme romanticed Govan (imho) - it was never that nice, and Rab was obviously of the upper echelon, being in possession of a jacket (not covered in puke).

**Chris** · 25-07-2008, 10:48

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

, that programme romanticed Govan (imho) - it was never that nice, and Rab was obviously of the upper echeolon, being in possession of a jacket (not covered in puke).

... and he voted Tory (admittedly because he felt sorry for the candidate). Mind you, 1,639 people in Glasgow East voted Tory last night.

Xaccers · 25-07-2008, 12:56

I would love for Gordon to lead Labour into 3rd place at the next general election, really, it would make my century

Sirius · 25-07-2008, 13:32

Labour at the next election. .

Now that would make my day, Year, Life time

**Damien** · 25-07-2008, 13:44

Wish he would call an election now

25-07-2008, 13:46

He can call an election he just won't lol be a bit like the turkeys voting for xmas

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**Damien** · 25-07-2008, 13:52

Is there a way an election can be forced (other than the Queen doing so?)

**Chris** · 25-07-2008, 13:53

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Originally Posted by Damien

Is there a way an election can be forced (other than the Queen doing so?)

A successful Commons vote of no confidence in the Government, which would never, ever happen.

**Damien** · 25-07-2008, 13:58

Yeah, I guess it's as if he has been going around killing kittens or anything. Well maybe Labour will force him out

25-07-2008, 14:03

I am pretty sure we will see a leadership challenge soon but as i said i don't think getting rid of brownshirt now would actually help labour as i think people are more fed up with the party and it's policy's then with brownshirt alone.

**Damien** · 25-07-2008, 14:28

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I am pretty sure we will see a leadership challenge soon but as i said i don't think getting rid of brownshirt now would actually help labour as i think people are more fed up with the party and it's policy's then with brownshirt alone.

Yes, Whomever takes the leadership will almost certainly be facing defeat. That said it's still a better chance than Brown seems to have at the moment and what Labour MP's will be thinking about is keeping their own seats.

It's worth bearing in mind that under Blair it still looked like Labour would win a fourth term, Labours collapse in support has been under Brown.

**Chris** · 25-07-2008, 14:37

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Originally Posted by Damien

It's worth bearing in mind that under Blair it still looked like Labour would win a fourth term, Labours collapse in support has been under Brown.

And the pundits will argue for the next 20 years over whether Brown has simpy had a run of rotten luck, or if Blair really was keeping the entire Nu-Lab project on the rails by the force of his personality alone.

However, that's all a little academic. Brown really is on the ropes, and the outlook for UK plc is not good enough for the Great British Public to do anything other than give him the blame when they next get the chance.

It's ironic that just 1,600 people voted Tory in Glasgow East, however the result of that election is the strongest indication yet that the Tories will win power next time around. In time, I guess that will play into the SNP's hands as well though, with their usual diatribes against the remoteness of London (another delicious irony, try asking a Shetlander whether they feel any affinity for Edinburgh).