STM rates VM expect you to keep to

[buckleb]

Can there be a monopoly on the delivery method? I say no, and think the term monopoly can only be used for content. As long as the actual service is available (TV/Phone/Whatever) then how it is delivered doesn't matter. If Virgin suddenly became the only company able to offer super fast BB speeds, then there might be some justification for allowing third party access, otherwise I don't see it happening.

What proof do you have that Virgin have 'failed' power users, apart from your intense dislike for the company? I just don't see it. Are these power users leaving in droves?

btw, Virgin said they can't compete with Sky for premium TV content. They can still provide a good part of that premium content to their customers, due to the rate card, but won't be able to source their own. Therefore I can't see why opening up the Virgin network would have any benefit at all for cable users.

[ryuzaki]

Thinking about it, avoiding STM is the worst thing you can you can do from VM's point of view.

If you get STMed you can't download or upload very fast, period. If you avoid it, but then suddenly open a web page with some large images or something, you peek the full 20Mb for a few seconds, until the next page or large email. That means sudden spikes, the kind of thing that mess up streaming video or gaming for other users.

[SOSAGES]

Originally Posted by brundles

Current rules can be found at http://www.virginmedia.com/help/traffic-management.php

20 meg means a 6gig limit between 10AM and 3PM, then a 3GB limit between 4PM and 9PM.

So from 9pm for 12 hours im free..
cool i tend to set downloads from 23:00 +

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by cadire

Can there be a monopoly on the delivery method? I say no, and think the term monopoly can only be used for content. As long as the actual service is available (TV/Phone/Whatever) then how it is delivered doesn't matter. If Virgin suddenly became the only company able to offer super fast BB speeds, then there might be some justification for allowing third party access, otherwise I don't see it happening.

What proof do you have that Virgin have 'failed' power users, apart from your intense dislike for the company? I just don't see it. Are these power users leaving in droves?

btw, Virgin said they can't compete with Sky for premium TV content. They can still provide a good part of that premium content to their customers, due to the rate card, but won't be able to source their own. Therefore I can't see why opening up the Virgin network would have any benefit at all for cable users.

Now get into the real world!

Yes -power users are leaving in droves, that should make you happy as the UBR will be taking less strain.

The term MONOPOLY does not mean a game or the delivery method.

BT had a monopoly on their backbone copper system and were made to open it up to other providers.

If and when VM can deliver "super fast BB speeds" remains a question especially when they are talking about 50Mbps whilst BT are investing in a 100Mbps backbone.

To date VM advertise "the mother of all broadband" at 20Mbps when it is not true!

adsl2 can and does return speeds of up to 24Mbps.

Have you entered the real world yet??

BTW ask the Post Office about the delivery method!!

[Cobbydaler]

Originally Posted by pippincp

Now get into the real world!

Yes -power users are leaving in droves, that should make you happy as the UBR will be taking less strain.

The term MONOPOLY does not mean a game or the delivery method.

BT had a monopoly on their backbone copper system and were made to open it up to other providers.

If and when VM can deliver "super fast BB speeds" remains a question especially when they are talking about 50Mbps whilst BT are investing in a 100Mbps backbone.

To date VM advertise "the mother of all broadband" at 20Mbps when it is not true!

adsl2 can and does return speeds of up to 24Mbps.

Have you entered the real world yet??

1. Ummm, evidence? Link?

2. As mentioned by a previous poster, the BT network was paid for by public money, VM's wasn't...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: Byebye VIrgin, Hello Be! Reply with quote
Got my line activated today! Spent about 30 mins sorting out the router which reported full connectivity but DNS wasn't resolving. I reset it and used the default DNS servers instead of the ones sent to me and things are working fine now!

Stats from the router plugged into the test socket:

Uptime: 0 days, 0:06:29
DSL Type: G.992.5 annex A
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 1,217 / 15,943
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [kB/kB]: 0.00 / 0.00
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 12.0 / 18.0
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 12.0 / 25.5
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 7.0 / 6.0
Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / BDCM
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote): 0
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 952
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 0
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 476 / 0

Should I be worried about the errors? I game alot so was thinking about enabling fastpath and moving to Annex M, but will I see much improvement with that Line Attenuation?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
line attenuation doesn't really change, as that's line loss. Meaning how far you are from the exchange.

Those errors are very low, but you have not been connected very long.

If you can post back to us when you have 8+ hours of uptime we can advise you further Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Hey guys, got an update:

Uptime: 0 days, 23:50:29
DSL Type: G.992.5 annex A
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 1,217 / 15,860
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [kB/kB]: 0.00 / 0.00
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 12.0 / 18.5
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 12.0 / 25.5
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 7.0 / 6.0
Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / BDCM
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote): 0
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 8 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 2 / 1,903,026
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 2 / 610
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 483 / 529

Should I bother with fastpath, or just go ahead and be thankful for what I've already got (which I am!) ?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Go for it. If it ends up being unstable then you can always go back to interleaved. Just raise a ticket and ask for a 6dB fastpath profile. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks siteguru, after fastpath enabled:

Uptime: 0 days, 1:12:50
DSL Type: G.992.5 annex A
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 1,217 / 16,763
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [kB/kB]: 0.00 / 0.00
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 12.0 / 18.5
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 12.0 / 25.5
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 7.0 / 6.0
Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / BDCM
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 12 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 1 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote): 0
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 9 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 0
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 617
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 546

Downloads max out at a consistent 1759KB/s! Smile
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Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 1 / 0

Can you account for that? Keep an eye on the Loss Of stats - if they start creeping up then it would seem your line wouldn't suit fastpath.

Other than that, your speed is about right for your attenuation. (Can be better with a different router, like a Netgear DG834GT).
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Updated stats:

Uptime: 0 days, 12:03:25
DSL Type: G.992.5 annex A
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 1,217 / 16,763
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [kB/kB]: 0.00 / 0.00
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 12.0 / 18.5
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 12.0 / 25.5
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 7.0 / 6.5
Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / BDCM
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 12 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 1 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote): 0
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 10 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 12 / 0
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 12 / 2,651
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 4 / 2,214

Is it possible the Loss of Signal occurred when I was moved to a fastpath connection? And should I worry about any loss of framing errors?
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The "Loss Of" errors haven't changed in over 10 hours so I wouldn't worry.
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OK thhis is only one example but Hey-Ho

Re public money. That doesn't matter to the Competition Commission. Bottom line Monopolies cannot exist!!!

[brundles]

That post provides no indication the subscriber was a power user - the only reference they made was to playing games. They did show technical aptitude but that's not the same as a power user.

In terms of the M&MC, yes, VM may be the only cable provider of size in the UK but is that relevant? As a company they offer telephone (plenty of competition there), TV (plenty there too), broadband (as I've already said, the majority of users don't even realise there is a difference - plenty of competition in the broadband market) and mobile (again, lots of competition).

How would you make the argument that the cable transport market is suffering when end customers don't purchase cable? They just purchase services carried over cable. Services which themselves are already in a highly competitive market.

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One person = 'leaving in droves'?

Compelling evidence then...

[piggy]

1 = single
2 = couple
3 = a crowd

how many is a drove?

[ADd]

My turn for a moan.

Downloaded the .iso's for FreeBSD 7.0 discs (full set including docs) and Kubuntu 8.04 to keep on disc - the first heavy use for a month- I'm on the Medium (means small in non-VM language), didn't think of the time, and after an hour wallop throttled. Normally I would have updated my ports collection, but at that speed it was a bit slow.

Came back on at 21:00 tonight to normal speed.

A bit annoyed to say the least, especially as the Kubuntu .iso came from Virgin Media's own mirror, so being a bit childish I decided to stop the download, and get it from California instead

Still it's good to have the 'Mother of all Broadband'.

So to be even more of a child, I've scheduled to download all night, every distro I can think of - just apologies if I affect anyone in my area (joke).

The only reason I can think Virgin have needed to do this is their servers are 386's with a hamster in a wheel providing power.

/end of rant - and thankyou