Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797] - Page 828

20-07-2008, 21:36

So the question remains - why is Privacy International, an organisation that describes itself as "Human rights "watchdog" organization focused on privacy intrusions by government and businesses" so quiet on the subject of Phorm?

This is the same organisation that complained about Google - Kent's favourite target - in writing to the European Commission and included the statement "The entire domain of online advertising is in great need of some transparency and accountability to both nurture it and to ensure that consumers are protected."

It's not possible that PI are unaware of the issue and it falls entirely within their remit so why are they distancing themselves from this?

20-07-2008, 21:42

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Originally Posted by madslug

Rather than the chap in Korea (isn't he an innocent in all this?) the names of the 2 marketing chaps who are looking for new markets in Korea - and, if anyone still has the info, the name of the telecom company that was being approached.

Dave Gwozdz Senior VP of Sales & Business Development (Phorm)

Chris Hogan VP of Advertising Partnerships (Phorm)

Wanted help setting up an office in Seoul and approaching the two Korean companies Naver and Daum with an online business opportunity in the behavioral targeting space.

Rchivist · 20-07-2008, 21:43

Okay - here's a couple of treats from BT Beta forums that you guys have missed. You really must keep up!!!

Firstly a bit of encouragement - put Phorm into Google and then click on the News link at the top of the page. Then read what you see, and think of all the money that Kent has spent on PR. Enjoy.

Next - we all need a laugh and over on BT Beta we need a laugh more than most. Firstly we are BT customers which is sad enough, and second - we end up with the posters CF rejects. (Like the John West salmon advert). And it is another google gem - I see now why Kent hates Google.

Do a straight google for Phorm again - you may have missed the first entry because it is always Phorm.com - but look more carefully and read the "details" entry. If you don't want to know what it is from this post, but want the full pleasure of doing the google search yourself then look away now - quickly - or if you can't wait - scroll down.
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Phorm, Inc (formerly 121Media) revolutionizes online advertising and privacy, serving advertising and content tailored to you, while providing fraud ...

and then think about how much money Kent paid for web design and website promotion. This man is in advertising/marketing and ends up with a google entry like that (or maybe google edited it carefully? No that can't be right - I'm sure they didn't!

buckleb · 20-07-2008, 21:45

In an earlier post, it was stated that kent Ertugrul was bad mouthing Alexander to MPs, whilst hawking his wares around the House of Commons. Now I'm sure that people are not allowed to just wander in to the HoC, so who sponsored him? Can we expect to see an MP joining the board of Phorm soon?

20-07-2008, 21:51

No need - BT have already got Patricia Hewitt on their payroll.

20-07-2008, 21:53

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Originally Posted by R Jones

Do a straight google for Phorm again - you may have missed the first entry because it is always Phorm.com - but look more carefully and read the "details" entry. If you don't want to know what it is from this post, but want the full pleasure of doing the google search yourself then look away now - quickly - or if you can't wait - scroll down.

Phorm, Inc (formerly 121Media) revolutionizes online advertising and privacy, serving advertising and content tailored to you, while providing fraud ...

and then think about how much money Kent paid for web design and website promotion. This man is in advertising/marketing and ends up with a google entry like that (or maybe google edited it carefully? No that can't be right - I'm sure they didn't!

That's got to be as good as Emma and the Wipe-o-matic!

linky

Dephormation · 20-07-2008, 21:56

JackSon · 20-07-2008, 21:58

LOL was just about to point that one out! How very apt.

BadPhormula · 20-07-2008, 22:08

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Originally Posted by Dephormation

Is the word "fraud" in their sales brochure a reference to their cookie hijacking or is it more sinister (can they be anymore sinister?)

warescouse · 20-07-2008, 22:49

Another weekend nearly gone by and still Virgin Media will not get off that fence. Will they? Wont they?

Gosh, you would think that they are oblivious to the reality that if Phorm/Webwise was adopted by them they would be quids out of pocket.

They surely would lose far more money than BT per customer due to all the other services that would be severed for each account that was closed when customers vote with their feet and go elsewhere.

Remember, when you lose trust you lose trust forever. Check out my thoughts on 121Media if you need to understand that last statement.

Rchivist · 20-07-2008, 23:48

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Originally Posted by Paul Delaney

That's got to be as good as Emma and the Wipe-o-matic!

linky

I thought it might bring a little joy.

The page source reveals the full Description tag - if only they'd been a little more restrained in their self-praise...

Let that be a lesson to all you website owners - count the words in your description tag! Otherwise you could lose your ...protection.

warescouse · 20-07-2008, 23:57

I see Phorm got 3 SOS's today. VM so far the most votes?

Wild Oscar · 21-07-2008, 00:06

The Phorm web pages are actually not very good when you look at them .. looks like a real amateur effort to me!

lardycake · 21-07-2008, 00:11

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Originally Posted by cadire

In an earlier post, it was stated that kent Ertugrul was bad mouthing Alexander to MPs, whilst hawking his wares around the House of Commons. Now I'm sure that people are not allowed to just wander in to the HoC, so who sponsored him? ...

I think you make a very good point. It occurs to me that it might be time to write to our MPs again to try to counter whatever falsehoods Ertugrul was peddling about the campaign.
@Alex - do you know how widespread this lobbying was? I gather from what you said in this thread that the general line Ertugrul took was to paint the campaign as having extreme aims. Can you suggest any particular points you think need bringing to the attention of MPs in the light of Ertugrul's lobbying?

phormwatch · 21-07-2008, 00:15

Is this the Digital PR Agency Phorm chose to help it deal with the interweb?:

http://www.hillandknowlton.com/

Or is that an older PR agency?

it's listed on:

http://news.phorm.com/

And Hillandknowlton claim to be experts in the tech field with regards to PR. Check out their website.

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Originally Posted by lardycake

I think you make a very good point. It occurs to me that it might be time to write to our MPs again to try to counter whatever falsehoods Ertugrul was peddling about the campaign.
@Alex - do you know how widespread this lobbying was? I gather from what you said in this thread that the general line Ertugrul took was to paint the campaign as having extreme aims. Can you suggest any particular points you think need bringing to the attention of MPs in the light of Ertugrul's lobbying?

I keep saying, this is why we need to have a press conference.

We only need a few select 'representatives' - say five - and an audience. We can make clear our aims to the wider press as well as Parliament.