New STM/Virgin traffic managent confirmed - so that's why it's slow!

[Toto]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Trust me it is.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34568648-post34.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12...iness-stm.html

Sorry those two quotes do not confirm that BB business packages are subject to traffic management. We need to see confirmation from NTL Telewest business in their T&C's, not a couple of he said, she said posts.

Originally Posted by Toto

Sorry those two quotes do not confirm that BB business packages are subject to traffic management. We need to see confirmation from NTL Telewest business in their T&C's, not a couple of he said, she said posts.

Go ring them up, the 20mbit package has STM, the others do not (yet, rollout starts soon)

The limts are 6GB between 4-9 instead of 3GB, no daytime stm.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by TraxData

Go ring them up, the 20mbit package has STM, the others do not (yet, rollout starts soon)

The limts are 6GB between 4-9 instead of 3GB, no daytime stm.

Correct.

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Originally Posted by Toto

Sorry those two quotes do not confirm that BB business packages are subject to traffic management. We need to see confirmation from NTL Telewest business in their T&C's, not a couple of he said, she said posts.

Toto

I have sent a PM with a link i think you should look at.

I know that business broadband has STM applied. This is the problem with VM. They never tell the people at the coalface about STM, WHY because they know people do not like it and if they have the information before they sign up they might well NOT sign up.

[Toto]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Correct.

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Toto

I have sent a PM with a link i think you should look at.

I know that business broadband has STM applied. This is the problem with VM. They never tell the people at the coalface about STM, WHY because they know people do not like it and if they have the information before they sign up they might well NOT sign up.

Thanks, I've PM'd you back about the link.

Personally, I don't mind STM. I'm in an area where speed at peak times has been a problem, since I was told by an engineer that STM was in place my speeds have improved considerably.

It's not to everyone's liking for sure, and to be honest, having seen what ADSL near an LLU's exhcange is like at peak times, I'm surprised that more ADSL suppliers are not ding similar things.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Toto

Thanks, I've PM'd you back about the link.

Personally, I don't mind STM. I'm in an area where speed at peak times has been a problem, since I was told by an engineer that STM was in place my speeds have improved considerably.

It's not to everyone's liking for sure, and to be honest, having seen what ADSL near an LLU's exhcange is like at peak times, I'm surprised that more ADSL suppliers are not ding similar things.

I don't like STM because i honestly feel its been applied to allow VM to CRAM more users on to a already bulging network. And they say there is no smoke without fire and the smoke at the moment seems to be showing up after midnight

[Jelly]

Just been STM'd for the second time in 7 hours

[dj rob st]

wow i usually get stm'd as i download more than my streets fair share off torrents.

now i wasnt arsed that they were cutting it down and i got the famous letter. but when i started to tare myself away from my videos ive downloaded i noticed i cudnt host xbox games no more while the stm was in full flow. so last week thought might as well knock my torrents down to 1k up 1k down (just so i get seed bonus points off my private torrent site even when nothings going up u get them by being logged into the tracker then exchange them on the site for upload credits) and id been doing that from say 5pm-11/12 and i noticed it that my speed in the stm peroids was back to normal for the 10mb

now last night i went completelly balistic downloading stuff for my original xbox as i got a kit to mod getting delvered this week and downloaded loads off public torrents. probs about 8gb over night. and now noticed after 12/1pm id been hit during the day

so looking at this gay web page http://www.virginmedia.com/help/traffic-management.php

and am i right if i put my limits to 1k up 1k down from 10am till midnight then this will eventually take me out of this stm group and get proper speed for my games again? coz it sucks waiting till 11pm to play online.

or am i right in thinking i can even go all the way and say 10am - 9pm and ill be fine if its limited to 1k up 1k down during that peroid. and it will have the same effect?

i dont mind turning the download or upload off during the peak hours because when ur capped you might as well not bother downloading on a serious level anyways. because if im nailed for 5 hours in that then the amount i can upload or download is usually superseeded within about 20 mins uncapped.


so wud capping myself from 10am - 9pm gurantee it stops happening or shud i stik it out till 12 just to be safe, as i probs need it capping so i can play games anyways myself or surf the net.

with them upgrading me to 10mb im sure that makes up for the d/l & u/l as in un capped times i cud probs upload more than i cud stm'd on 4mb.


anyone else think STM sounds like a disease lmao,

[Code601]

Evenin all. Though i would share my thoughts on the cap.

Im not totally against the caps, but in reality I think that the threshold is set far too low, 1200MB on the L package for 4 - 9. Thats does not goes far over two computer users and I will often be stm`d without running any p2p. Virgin don't even supply a reliable way to monitor your usage. So how can I judge if i can download something or not, thats one strike against the current shaping. I hate this feeling that I cant use the connection i`m paying for when it suits me.

Another thing that REALLY annoys me that the caps are not removed after 9pm. It really reduces the value of "traffic management" if you know that your speed is just going to be remaining slow after the management period ends, Why wait when your speed is still going to be the same later. If im downloading a couple of large files, rather then wait till after 9 I just start em and let them run for the duration. Im downloading the same volume of data, it just takes me longer and the cap does not affect when i am downloading, Thats two strikes.

I have to wake up as 6am for work and dont leave my computer on overnight. I usually go to bed at 10 or so depending how I feel so i am getting an entire hour of the 10 meg I pay for if i have not been capped already. What terrible value for money, thats three strikes from me.

Traffic shaping sucks.

[Nicosia]

Originally Posted by Code601

Evenin all. Though i would share my thoughts on the cap.

Im not totally against the caps, but in reality I think that the threshold is set far too low, 1200MB on the L package for 4 - 9. Thats does not goes far over two computer users and I will often be stm`d without running any p2p. Virgin don't even supply a reliable way to monitor your usage. So how can I judge if i can download something or not, thats one strike against the current shaping. I hate this feeling that I cant use the connection i`m paying for when it suits me.

Another thing that REALLY annoys me that the caps are not removed after 9pm. It really reduces the value of "traffic management" if you know that your speed is just going to be remaining slow after the management period ends, Why wait when your speed is still going to be the same later. If im downloading a couple of large files, rather then wait till after 9 I just start em and let them run for the duration. Im downloading the same volume of data, it just takes me longer and the cap does not affect when i am downloading, Thats two strikes.

I have to wake up as 6am for work and dont leave my computer on overnight. I usually go to bed at 10 or so depending how I feel so i am getting an entire hour of the 10 meg I pay for if i have not been capped already. What terrible value for money, thats three strikes from me.

Traffic shaping sucks.

10am -3pm then 4pm - 9 pm not just 4-9 now

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but the capping is stupid, but i wouldent leave VM just downgrade from 20 to 2meg

[Ben B]

Originally Posted by Nicosia

but the capping is stupid, but i wouldent leave VM just downgrade from 20 to 2meg

No, no, no, no not the 2meg. I mean, I have it and it is stable and all but you are capped more often than not. I'll probably be upgrading to 10meg once it has rolled out in my area.

Ben

[thebarron]

Well its a bit pot calling kettle but at least it gets to the front page.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7483675.stm

[Nicosia]

Originally Posted by Ben B

No, no, no, no not the 2meg. I mean, I have it and it is stable and all but you are capped more often than not. I'll probably be upgrading to 10meg once it has rolled out in my area.

Ben

thats true but im on the 20meg connection they deliver full 20 but im on 5mbit more then 20 i keep going over and those programs like du meter dont help

[Sput]

Originally Posted by thebarron

Well its a bit pot calling kettle but at least it gets to the front page.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7483675.stm

I was interested by the part which said:-

"But it did admit that users would be subject to its so-called traffic management system, which caps data usage during peak hours.

It said that the issue would only affect users of the 2Mbps service."

Someone should draw attention to this thread where many people on 20mbps would disagree!

[ceedee]

Originally Posted by Sput

I was interested by the part which said:-

"But it did admit that users would be subject to its so-called traffic management system, which caps data usage during peak hours.

It said that the issue would only affect users of the 2Mbps service."

Someone should draw attention to this thread where many people on 20mbps would disagree!

FWIW, I think what VM meant was that downloading a 340MB video (and nothing else) would only trigger STM on 2Mb/s connections, not the faster ones.

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Originally Posted by Nicosia

thats true but im on the 20meg connection they deliver full 20 but im on 5mbit more then 20 i keep going over and those programs like du meter dont help

I'd guess that you're either ignoring the STM times and thresholds (which you are absolutely free to do) or the STM parameters at your UBR are incorrect.

If nothing else, DU Meter keeps a log of your traffic so you can analyse it later.

[Nicosia]

yes its because i hit the 3GB limit