Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[Frank Rizzo]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

I'm sure you're right, but what they told the ICO was the service "will be trialled from 12th March to 16 April in the Kingston area. We will be targetting around 25,000 BT Broadband customers with he aim of getting 10,000 signed up users of the BT Webwise service".

This may correlate with the 1-2% or so, 10,000 to 25,000

It could be that the Kingston RAS has 1 Million users.

This is just another example of BT being economical with the truth and spinning.

They are trying to imply that the tests only involved a small local exchange (Weston-Super-Mare) in my case. But it is clear they mean one RAS exchange was used in the trial and that had the potential of intercepting a Million customers.

[popper]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

Just received a wallet full of documents from ICO, too many to upload at present.

Summary of info is here

http://www.badphorm.co.uk/e107_plugi...topic.php?6937

There's some significant revelations. I'm still reading through it.

good, and dont forget to write up a Cable Forum News release based on the findings there,ASAP ,including our esteemed CF member Baroness sue's CF post quote , the #10000 protest post details would be a good thing too as a build up, and have Mick or one of the others place it on the news page to get full world wide news coverage pointing here in minutes....

[Dephormation]

I am going to have to scan this whole dossier. Its just utterly staggering.

Can someone tell me who was the PR Week Award 2007 winner?

The name of the originators of some email has been obscured, but I'm guessing the originator was the winner of the PR Week Award 2007

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Can anyone in the Bristol area volunteer a sheet fed scanner?

[AlexanderHanff]

I had an email from Baroness Miller today too, just to add to the action

She has marked the protest in her diary and hopes to attend. She too feels there would be value in speaking to the public the day before she address HoL again.

Alexander Hanff

[roadrunner69]

Deleted: Irrelevant

[Dephormation]

http://www.citigatedewerogerson.com/awards.html

PR Week Award 2007, Winner Best Financial Campaign

They exchanged many emails with ICO on Phorms behalf, "[Phorm] determination to be totally open and positively engage is even impressing critics, it seems".

It would be funny if it wasn't so untrue.

[Deko]

I bet BT/Phorm wish they could have stopped you getting that dossier of info.

Good work Pete.

[Florence]

Originally Posted by Deko

I bet BT/Phorm wish they could have stopped you getting that dossier of info.

Good work Pete.

Bet the ICO had wanted tonot hand it over but thankfully the FOI helps

[Dephormation]

More documents.

Home Office cover note from their advice document makes clear they have been involved with Phorm for 'some time' prior to January 2008... Details here

Update; the cover letter originated from Simon Watkin (see email address in the header)

[Florence]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

More documents.

Home Office cover note from their advice document makes clear they have been involved with Phorm for 'some time' prior to January 2008... Details here

Update; the cover letter originated from Simon Watkin (see email address in the header)

No wonder he stopped replying to emails he knew he was in trouble...

I still have all my emails from him if you want them?

[popper]

just think how much more is being left undisclosed though, Hence as you see, we NEED that FOI and ICO directives extended and enforced to include all private companies correspondence Baroness Miller

[Privacy_Matters]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

More documents.

Home Office cover note from their advice document makes clear they have been involved with Phorm for 'some time' prior to January 2008... Details here

Update; the cover letter originated from Simon Watkin (see email address in the header)

ok, so the HO are caught out AGAIN:

...You were interested in the view of the Home Office on your Client's proposal for the roll out of an internet based advertising service in the uk.

I am now able to let you have our considered view.

Is this the same HO who stated that the document was NOT specifically produced for Phorm???

I smell a rat - it can be SAFELY assumed that a request for the document had been made; subsequently a 'generalised' view had been created by the HO, built around the Phorm System...

I'd love to see the HO beat that rap....



EDIT: Complaint being drafted re HO blatant 'Croneyism'.

EDIT 2: Try not to differentiate two Government bodies whilst kids screaming at yer feet ....

[popper]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

I had an email from Baroness Miller today too, just to add to the action

She has marked the protest in her diary and hopes to attend. She too feels there would be value in speaking to the public the day before she address HoL again.

Alexander Hanff

good, lets hope theres a tripod and cam handy, or at least a stong box to rest any cam phone so not to have a shaky video capture of any interesting public record of this one time event.

[icsys]

What a wonderful week this is turning out to be...

first - NebuAd trials are frozen by their ISP, Charter.
second - Baroness Miller posts support in the forums.
third - Meglena Kuneva, EU Consumer Commissioner promises tighter legislation on internet privacy and data interception
fourth - the ICO release a batch of damning evidence.

Can it get any better?

[Dephormation]

Alexander, you'll love this.

Take a look at this document.

BT explain that they dropped cookies, but don't tell ICO how, or why (the 2006 report tells you it was done to circumvent the BT terms and conditions that would have prevented them dropping cookies).

They then swapped the 'default ad' (they don't mention it was a charity advert) for a targeted one when possible.

They estimate 15,000 cookies users PER DAY.

There's almost nothing about the 2007 trial.

And BT seem surprised by the idea it should be opt in.