24-06-2008, 01:29
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
shouldn't that be "and used to make an [Unlawful] 'Derivative work' for their Open Internet Exchange (OIX) service"
its always good to highlight the "Derivative work" Aspect, and id always put the "Unlawful" part in as they are not getting the websites owners permission or paying a licence fee there eather....
just incase any website owners reading it, didnt consider that commercial piracy aspect of these devices before.
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24-06-2008, 01:35
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#10007
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff
Also, now would be a good time to thank everyone here at Cableforum for their support and for hosting what has at times been a very emotional thread. Without these boards this thread would not have become the resource it has and I am very grateful to you all for that (staff and users alike). Lets hope we manage to stop Phorm BEFORE this thread reaches 20 000 posts eh?
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Well said, sir.
Huge thanks to all the staff here at Cable Forum, especially the chaps moderating this thread; you've done a great job.
OB
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24-06-2008, 01:44
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#10008
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Anyone in the last 20 or so posts care to add (edit this link into) their their post :-
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24-06-2008, 03:09
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#10009
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
I wonder what the worlds longest real forum thread is. I know there are a lot of silly word game threads and "introduce yourself" type threads out there which are ridiculously long, but what is the longest thread on a real topic? Would be kinda cool if we broke a world record.
Alexander Hanff
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24-06-2008, 03:46
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cf.member
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
My simple issue with phorm is that for example with it, that I cannot guarantee client confidentiality. When your clients include blue chip companies as well as some of the worlds largest autmobile manufacturers you too would want to be able to 100% assure confidentiality of design related communications.
If I cannot guarantee security, I will use an alternative service. Or be forced to retrograde to old school communication methods. It is clear cut.
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24-06-2008, 04:00
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by popper
regarding the trials lets not forget Chris M's Jun 13, 2008 8:50 PM betaBT post
they were expecting to run an 8 months large scale trial, thats a very long time just to see if it scales well.
you might be forgiven for thinking it could be just long enough to try and recoop their investment in the hardware and related costs from the advertisers profits before it got pulled...
and anyone care to run the No. of potential RIPA violations extrapolated from the figures we already know ,never mind the other laws, broken copyright might be another good one to estimate
i hope he kept a copy of that T&C (one more A4 printout for the court documents some day),as true to Phorm, its now missing on that link.
http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/me...ID=26542#26542
"I hadn't/haven't been invited to take part but, out of curiosity, I thought I'd have a look and upon reading the T&Cs of: https://www2.formwize.com/run/survey3.cfm?ID=1081, I noticed under the heading: "Service Schedule" this line:
* The duration of the next generation speed trial is at our sole discretion but is initially scheduled to run from February 2008 to October 2008.
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In Chris M's post on the betaBT forum he seems to have got Formwize confused with Phorm/Webwise .
I think Formwize are just an innocent company trialling their own software.
http://www.formwize.com/
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24-06-2008, 07:14
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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24-06-2008, 07:38
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
that might be the case Digbert, but it seems very odd, the context, and the seen T&C is the all important thing here, but as that is the first instance of the name on btbeta we shall have to wait for the answers if they come.
one things clear, that http://www.formwize.com/overview.htm makes it clear they are a commercial Form survey data collection site.
"Using just your web browser, create your Form with our intuitive Form editor. Select from 6 different Form types Survey, Event, Test, Competion, Poll and Rating boxes with over a dozen question types (single choice, multiple choice, rating scales, drop-down menus, and more...)."
perhaps BT or Phorm used them for a Phorm trial mockup and ChrisM just got lucky hitting the page at the right moment to get the BT page, there are some very Resourceful search terms users, and many bots out there if you know were to look.
and we already know they are not the sharpest tools in the shed as it were  only their 3rd party software coders seemed to be somewhat on the ball with things like hiding rootkits, and impersonation or forger's of other peoples site content.
if he kept a copy of the webpage form and T&C ,that should clear things up perhaps.
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24-06-2008, 08:34
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Incorrect link; https://www2.formwize.com/run/survey3.cfm?ID=1081,
Correct link; https://www2.formwize.com/run/survey3.cfm?ID=1081
PS... should add I'm pretty confident they're not directly connected to Phorm. Just unlucky with their choice of name.
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24-06-2008, 08:48
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
doh!  i should have picked his typo up (everyone should grab a copy now anyway as thats good for bulking out the case files a little more  ) but my main point was the 8 months trial time OC.
interestingly "© BT plc 2007 All rights reserved"
on the webform https://www2.formwize.com/run/survey3.cfm?ID=1081
and " Issue 1 – 28th February 2008 Doc Ref: BT1090 © British Telecommunications plc " on the T&C
http://www.formwize.com/customerincludes/TsandCs.pdf
can anyone see the dates they were placed on the web server to get a clearer picture perhaps
Pete, the T&C is interesting for some generic no's (their current Max liability insurance coverage perhaps), and you could have some fun with them as your starting point claiming your fee's in court perhaps.
"29. We also accept responsibility for loss or damage to your physical property arising from our negligence. We will pay up to £1 million in any 12-month period for this loss or damage."
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31. Unless paragraph 28 and/or paragraph 29 apply, we will not pay you more than £10,000 in compensation (even if we have been negligent) in any 12-month period. "
and OC, its not for your negligent company to decide the Compensation or the time scale for that matter, thats for your (if your lucky, intercepted BT residential broadband using) presiding QC to decide
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24-06-2008, 09:49
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Don't understand shares enough to know whether this is significant or not. Its the first financial news published for a while...
Transfer of Shares from Unrestricted Line (PHRX) to Reg S Line (PHRM)
"Dealings in the shares under the new ticker symbol are expected to commence on 30 June 2008."
121Media have had problems with this before.
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24-06-2008, 09:58
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by |Kippa|
Feck, if you throttle newsgroup and p2p ports, then what exactly can you downloadload at 20mbit? Or is that the point, they don't want you to use it. As I have said before I am going to wait till 50mbit comes out and see what happens after that. As for saying that the average user doesn't know about this site and is more likely to use Facebook et al. Why not create a anti stm/phorm/throttling Virgin Media group in Facebook. This way you might significantly raise the profile of what they are doing and at the same time put the 'the average user' in touch with what is happening, also if a lot of people register to it that will create public pressure on VM, it would not cost anything and would be free so there is nothing lost in doing it.
I have created an Anti Phorm/STM/Throttling group in Facebook. If you want to join it then here is the link to the group:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=63826810720
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Quoted from another thread re. Throttling/STM .. I'm not into Facebook myself, it might be worth joining up just for this though!!
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24-06-2008, 10:26
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by Dephormation
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This seems very weird to me; if I read it correctly [noting comments above]
They are moving shares from the "unrestricted line, trading under PHRX, to the Reg S line trading under PHRM".
Ie, Moving shares from the unrestricted line that can be traded without Regulation S restriction, to Regulation S line which cannot be sold to US investors.
Why would they do that? Is it somehow easier to trade as Regulation S shares? Is this associated with the £0.5M shares sold yesterday?
Regulation S has a very poor reputation. I'd have thought you'd want to avoid being associated with Regulation S share trading as far as you possibly could.
Or perhaps that's why I'm in IT not share trading.
Ahh. In general terms, if you were a US company and wanted to flog stock off to people outside USA who would then have no comeback under Regulation S, you'd (presumeably) transfer the stock from unrestricted to restricted, then flog it? [noting I know nothing about share trading]
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24-06-2008, 10:43
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Hi All, I have just had a worrying thing happen while on the Forum (not logged in). I usually go to this thread from the NTHell website, the link to this thread is always there. I clicked on the thread and it took me to page 666 which I had seen before, I clicked on page 667 and it was very slow to load, I know this sort of thing has been happening a lot lately and it has been said that it may be VM work causing the problem. I have "refreshed" to try and speed things up a bit in the past, this time I clicked on page 667 again and immediately a new window opened up for another website, I have never been to this website before (the link to it below). Is this what they call "Targeted Advertising"?
http://www.yesloansuk.com/?gclid=CKf...FQ2L1Qod7EJ7WA
Dave.
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24-06-2008, 10:45
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by davethejag
Hi All, I have just had a worrying thing happen while on the Forum (not logged in). I usually go to this thread from the NTHell website, the link to this thread is always there. I clicked on the thread and it took me to page 666 ...
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Is it the devil at work?
Yes loans. It is possible you clicked a link by accident on the page while refreshing?
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