Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[icsys]

Originally Posted by vicz

Finally found time to listen to Steve Gibson's podcast http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm Boy does he like to talk! Still, very impressive, and his genuine indignation at both what the ISPs are doing and the backgrounds of phorm and NebuAd is very apparent and speaks volumes. Next episode in two weeks 'all about phorm' promises to be a cracker.

Quite a long podcast. (35 mins worth on Phorm and NebuAd)
He claims that Phorm is much worse than NebuAd as NebuAd does not use cookies. In fact the words used are 'unbelievably intrusive'.
But NebuAd does not need the cookies as they use your IP address to track you.

I would suggest that NebuAd is worse.

The podcast in two weeks sounds like it could be very interesting...
Steve says if you have questions for the podcast they can be posted here

[popper]

http://www.webmasterworld.com/search...rs/3679120.htm
"PRincrediBILL
CHere's an emerging story that should concern webmasters and cause the alarms to sound IMO.

When I went to check on the status of Project Rialto today, which runs the PRCrawler, their site proclaimed they are now emerging as Kindsight.

Kindsight is a value-added services provider specializing in network-based security solutions for residential internet use. We deliver an always-on, always-up-to-date security service embedded in internet service providers’ networks to address what we call the “flawed malware defense cycle”.

Sounds good, right?
So why do they crawl?
OK, I won't keep you in suspense, it appears they crawl to "data mine" to find out what your site is about so they can target ads to your, um their, customers!

The Kindsight service, as with other free on-line applications such as search engines and map functions, is funded through an advertising mechanism but without the use of cookies, pop-ups or spam. Instead, we deliver ads on sites that are of interest to the subscriber base.

If they don't use pop-ups, how exactly are they going to show their customers ads?
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"rawler Emerges From Stealth Mode as Kindsight
ISPs to insert their own ads under guise of security software?

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[G UK]

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[vicz]

Originally Posted by popper

http://www.webmasterworld.com/search...rs/3679120.htm
"PRincrediBILL
CHere's an emerging story that should concern webmasters and cause the alarms to sound IMO.

When I went to check on the status of Project Rialto today, which runs the PRCrawler, their site proclaimed they are now emerging as Kindsight.

Kindsight is a value-added services provider specializing in network-based security solutions for residential internet use. We deliver an always-on, always-up-to-date security service embedded in internet service providers’ networks to address what we call the “flawed malware defense cycle�.

Sounds good, right?
So why do they crawl?
OK, I won't keep you in suspense, it appears they crawl to "data mine" to find out what your site is about so they can target ads to your, um their, customers!

The Kindsight service, as with other free on-line applications such as search engines and map functions, is funded through an advertising mechanism but without the use of cookies, pop-ups or spam. Instead, we deliver ads on sites that are of interest to the subscriber base.

If they don't use pop-ups, how exactly are they going to show their customers ads?
....
...
"rawler Emerges From Stealth Mode as Kindsight
ISPs to insert their own ads under guise of security software?

Blimey! How many of these damn boxes are going to end up being stacked in my clickstream?

Here is a good emerging rule of thumb: The more the PR spin promises to give me a wonderful sugar coated service and protect my privacy the worse for me the lying *******s are.

I fear we are swimming against the tide here. I think its the end of the cleartext Internet as we know it, https is the way of the future.

[G UK]

Originally Posted by vicz

Blimey! How many of these damn boxes are going to end up being stacked in my clickstream?

Here is a good emerging rule of thumb: The more the PR spin promises to give me a wonderful sugar coated service and protect my privacy the worse for me the lying *******s are.

I fear we are swimming against the tide here. I think its the end of the cleartext Internet as we know it, https is the way of the future.

Its the new market niche many of these firms think they have found. This is why this campaign has to go further than Phorm.

When we take down Phorm we will be sending a strong message to the rest but they will still need to be dealt with.

[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by Wildie

google webwise and up pops the BBC webwise how confusing is that.

Last time I checked, Phorm had not successfully registered the name 'Webwise'.

It was owned by BBC, HP and others, and for overlapping use in the field of IT.

When I last looked it was still open to BBC, HP and others to object to the Webwise registration by Phorm.

Pete.

See here; Webwise trademark registration status is 'advertised'

HP, Xara, or BBC could yet stop Phorm registering Webwise as a trademark (or at least delay it) if they so choose. Other registered users;

Xara, Hewlett-Packard Development Company, British Broadcasting Corporation

[popper]

lets not forget OC that it was the DPI vendors themselves that decided to produce these expanded DPI for profit targeted advertising and related devices, purely to find a way to increase their sales of their limited market ISP/Co-Location internal network DPI kit....

i posted a link to one of those Vendor quotes from http://www.lightreading.com/cdn/ somewere in the thread

[Dephormation]

PS, and Phorms current 'trademark' image isn't registered either. Just some crappy Times New Roman image someone knocked up in Wordpad.

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[Wildie]

lets be thick for one min (normal for me) up pops webwise opt in/out site me googles webwise oh its the BBC yeah accept without looking at the other listed finds.
may happen may not but the confusion is there.

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Thank you for your co-operation.

[icsys]

Originally Posted by Wildie

lets be thick for one min (normal for me) up pops webwise opt in/out site me googles webwise oh its the BBC yeah accept without looking at the other listed finds.
may happen may not but the confusion is there.

You could be right there.
Posted in white to see if it gets noticed. My other posts in black seem to be mostly invisible.

[Privacy_Matters]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

PS, and Phorms current 'trademark' image isn't registered either. Just some crappy Times New Roman image someone knocked up in Wordpad.

Interesting to note that Phorm in the US is meant to be known as Phorm Inc, and Phorm in the UK as Phorm UK Inc.

The note to AIM last year indicated the above, whereas its the other way round on the registration on this link Pete.

[popper]

i wonder what would happen to the trademark if lots of people started complaining to the BBC and it's "right to reply" program had to go on air and explain its not them, but kent and Co, your friendly ex rootkit vendor and potential future commercial pirate.....of 70% of the Uk interweb

[Privacy_Matters]

Originally Posted by popper

i wonder what would happen to the trademark if lots of people started complaining to the BBC and it's "right to reply" program had to go on air and explain its not them, but kent and Co, your friendly ex rootkit vendor and potential future commercial pirate.....of 70% of the Uk interweb

It would be interesting - considering the BBC are a Public Service, they are owned by us and must act to reasonable objection.