[Merged] Broadband's faster future BBC check on Virgin Media Trials

[Horace]

Be* is faster if you live right next to the exchange.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Horace

Be* is faster if you live right next to the exchange.

For now. Try saying that by the end of this year

Originally Posted by jungleguy

the fact is VM BB is alot faster than anything else out there. Lets not split hairs.

I got an AppleTV thing, and I can hire a HD movie off the iTunes web site and I don't have to wait. (Maybe this is the future so maybe download speed is more important than upload speed, its about buying content quickly)

FYI I prefer to hire a movie off iTunes cause I can watch it for 48 hrs, not the poxy 24 hrs VM on-demand offer, but thats another story.

Got to be honest BT have no chance of competing with cable technology.

VM are not the fastest.

Actually upload speed is going to be important as 95% of all current and new services are going the p2p route to save bandwith, this will require you to upload, with a pitterful 1.5mbit upload on the 50mbit package i doubt you'll keep your app open all night/day just to seed back what you downloaded.

There is ALOT of legal HD p2p services coming soon, for which will probably be useless in the UK due to no one actually having good enough upstream.

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Originally Posted by Horace

Be* is faster if you live right next to the exchange.

I am 1.5KM from the exchange and still get 20mbit download (backup line) so you'd be wrong there, wouldnt you?

[jungleguy]

[QUOTE=TraxData;34575409]VM are not the fastest.

Actually upload speed is going to be important as 95% of all current and new services are going the p2p route to save bandwith, this will require you to upload, with a pitterful 1.5mbit upload on the 50mbit package i doubt you'll keep your app open all night/day just to seed back what you downloaded.

There is ALOT of legal HD p2p services coming soon, for which will probably be useless in the UK due to no one actually having good enough upstream.

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Sorry I don't really care about upload speeds. The Apple TV works a treat, and I'm really happy with it and my broadband connection that streams the content.

[QUOTE=jungleguy;34576252]

Originally Posted by TraxData

VM are not the fastest.

Actually upload speed is going to be important as 95% of all current and new services are going the p2p route to save bandwith, this will require you to upload, with a pitterful 1.5mbit upload on the 50mbit package i doubt you'll keep your app open all night/day just to seed back what you downloaded.

There is ALOT of legal HD p2p services coming soon, for which will probably be useless in the UK due to no one actually having good enough upstream.

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Sorry I don't really care about upload speeds. The Apple TV works a treat, and I'm really happy with it and my broadband connection that streams the content.

You wont be saying that in another year, trust me.

My point still stands though, its useless with that upload...then there is the STM on 50mbit. then overnight STM, the new application throttling that's being trialled etc, only thing your connection is gonna be useful for is looking at emails!

[jungleguy]

[QUOTE=TraxData;34576310]

Originally Posted by jungleguy

You wont be saying that in another year, trust me.

My point still stands though, its useless with that upload...then there is the STM on 50mbit. then overnight STM, the new application throttling that's being trialled etc, only thing your connection is gonna be useful for is looking at emails!

I don't understand why I'm gonna need to send data fast to receive a high def film on my AppleTV???!!?! I currently don't need a fast upload speed, and currently am very very happy with the content I can access through my AppleTV thing. Incase you don't know what it does, I can watch movies over the internet on my TV without using a PC, accesing the iTunes store.

It is not important for me to send data fast. I want to receive data fast. When you send an email, you don't sit their waiting for it to go do you, but you you do wait for an email to arrive.

BTW Whats STM?

[QUOTE=jungleguy;34576415]

Originally Posted by TraxData

I don't understand why I'm gonna need to send data fast to receive a high def film on my AppleTV???!!?! I currently don't need a fast upload speed, and currently am very very happy with the content I can access through my AppleTV thing. Incase you don't know what it does, I can watch movies over the internet on my TV without using a PC, accesing the iTunes store.

It is not important for me to send data fast. I want to receive data fast. When you send an email, you don't sit their waiting for it to go do you, but you you do wait for an email to arrive.

BTW Whats STM?

You realise you need to upload to download, right?

Try watching that hi-def movie on 50mbit while browsing the net/downloading something else etc, the upstream isnt fast enough (1.5mbit), any sort of multitasking will literally cripple the hell out of it.

I know what AppleTV is, and they will be using P2P in the future for IPTV, 1.5mbit upload isnt gonna cut it when that happens.

Sending data fast is just as and sometimes even more important than recieving data fast, but i dont think you understand that =/

STM = Subscriber Traffic Management which as i'm sure your aware is now 10am-3pm and 4pm-9pm, hope you wont be watching you hi-def movies then because you get shaped down to 5mbit (not fast enough for hi-def streaming) and 10mbit on the 50mbit tier

[jungleguy]

Apple TV has a hard drive, so its cached.

STM is there to get rid of P2P abusers. Take a look at Keconnect, its a top independent ISP. Support lines are in the UK, and will answer in 3 rings. Unlimited broadband is staggering £129 per MONTH, with no fair usage policy.
http://www.keconnect.co.uk/products/...ial/broadband/
VM offer excellent value for money for the majority of people. The only customers that are not happy, are the one's that expect £129 per month broadband service for £5.50 per month.

Anyhow, lets not miss the point, I currently don't have any issues with what I do with my BB, and I do more than most.

So to summarize this thread, maybe we're worrying unduly about future problems, from future technologies, that may or may not occur.

Originally Posted by jungleguy

Apple TV has a hard drive, so its cached.

STM is there to get rid of P2P abusers. Take a look at Keconnect, its a top independent ISP. Support lines are in the UK, and will answer in 3 rings. Unlimited broadband is staggering £129 per MONTH, with no fair usage policy.
http://www.keconnect.co.uk/products/...ial/broadband/
VM offer excellent value for money for the majority of people. The only customers that are not happy, are the one's that expect £129 per month broadband service for £5.50 per month.

Anyhow, lets not miss the point, I currently don't have any issues with what I do with my BB, and I do more than most.

So to summarize this thread, maybe we're worrying unduly about future problems, from future technologies, that may or may not occur.

LOL!!! STM to get rid of P2P abusers? *laughing fit*

STM is there to make sure they can add more users to an already oversubscribed service while not having to upgrade any part of the network.

It has nothing to do with p2p users or heavy downloaders or people who affect the network, why do you think 2mbit users have been getting stm'd and getting letters from VM?!"!!

Err no, the ones that are not happy are the ones who come home from a hard days work and expect to be able to use the net they are paying for, for just a few hours, without being classed as an abuser and getting 75% of their connection taken away from them, actually.

Heavy users could care less about STM, they just download overnight.

But overnight STM is being trialled as is application throttling etc.

That's funny, i have unlimited broadband, im hitting 5-7TB/Month right now with 25/25 connection...and 2-3TB/Month with the backup Be line..oops..no stm crap, no traffic shaping, no application throttling.

Some of us know people very high up and already know what VM have in their mind for the future and it sure aint pretty.

[damien c]

vm don't want anyone to use there internet for anything other than surfing the net and also checking emails. but they still keep saying unlimited which it is but what they should say is, "if you want to use your unlimited internet fully then you will have to suffer with only a quarter of your d/l speed". i think it is pathetic as people say it is to try to stop p2p but i, tried to download a couple of linux discs about 10gb worth in total just as a test, and as most people are aware most linux's are free unyet i got to 3gb downloaded and got stm'd, so it's not just p2p it is any form of downloading be it legal or ilegal, and also my dad was stm'd the other night at around 2am so they are also stm'ing you at the night now.
simply put if there was a bb supplier out there that didn't have the stm and, that also could give 20mbit+ for less than £50 a month i'd sign, up to them straight away but not adsl because i live to far away from the local bt exchange.

[Horace]

Originally Posted by TraxData

I am 1.5KM from the exchange and still get 20mbit download (backup line) so you'd be wrong there, wouldnt you?

References from you are worthless as has been noted in the past

http://speedtest.net/global.php?cont...=4&region=1811

That's from London and most other cities and towns give the same results. Average of 10meg, 8 in my area.

Originally Posted by TraxData

You wont be saying that in another year, trust me.

Why, give some kind of explanation or is this some kind of big secret like the name of the cleaner you know who works at VM?

Originally Posted by Horace

References from you are worthless as has been noted in the past

http://speedtest.net/global.php?cont...=4&region=1811

That's from London and most other cities and towns give the same results. Average of 10meg, 8 in my area.



Why, give some kind of explanation or is this some kind of big secret like the name of the cleaner you know who works at VM?

1)Speedtest are not representive of the speeds one can achieve.

2)Most speed problems are down to crappy face plates and extention wiring.

3) -rolls eyes- technology changes all the time, need i say more.

[Horace]

Originally Posted by TraxData

1)Speedtest are not representive of the speeds one can achieve.

2)Most speed problems are down to crappy face plates and extention wiring.

3) -rolls eyes- technology changes all the time, need i say more.

Yes you need say more, if all your answers are going to be random ifs, whats and maybe this time next year then don't expect to be given any credibility.
People are not interested in corporate blurb about what may be technically possible they want hard facts as what definitely available in their area. You're advocating customers leave VM on the premise they will get a much better service elsewhere when it's simply not true.

[jungleguy]

Hmmmm so am I right in thinking something is gonna happen in the future that is gonna ruin my cable BB experience, which is technology, cause it changes, but your not gonna be specific or tell us.

My Aunts a Jehovah Witness and regularly pops round to say good bye cause of the impending Armageddon. I suppose because of growing up with a crack pot Aunt makes me a tad skeptical when people make claims about the future.

TraxData I think you should put some small print at the end of your posts, like "for entertainment only" or "not experimentally proven" thats what other fortune tellers have to do.

[Nicosia]

1.5mbit upload on a50mbit connection?!?1 whats that about?!? service is amazing fromvm but the smt and the poor upload is not,other then them two things VM are are very good isp better then any adsl provider