[Merged] Broadband's faster future BBC check on Virgin Media Trials

Originally Posted by homealone

It wasn't so much the numbers, themselves, but that they allowed them to be broadcast like a good thing - as in, whomever did the script knew nothing about what 50 Mb/s speed should be & it still got passed through to the final take???

Well i thought that was obvious as soon as he said "10 seconds, so as youcan see, wow its alot faster"...but what really did it for me was the "you can upload large files quickly!" alot of emphasis on "quickly", to me it was stupidly obvious this guy had no clue what he was going on about.

[Nicosia]

over a year people have been testing 50mbit?

[Horace]

Originally Posted by TraxData

Well i thought that was obvious as soon as he said "10 seconds, so as youcan see, wow its alot faster"...but what really did it for me was the "you can upload large files quickly!" alot of emphasis on "quickly", to me it was stupidly obvious this guy had no clue what he was going on about.

It's relative, most people in this country are probably on 2-4mbit download and .5 upload if that, so to them it is a huge improvement assuming they can get cable and will take the package.

As for BT and fibre, give it another 20 years and you might see the country fibred up assuming the goverment gives BT our taxes. They've never shown any interest in wide-scale deployment, doing a few showcases here and there is meaningless. Up till then cable is my only option for anything faster than 4mbit which is what I'd get with BT's current underinvested infrasture. It's a pity BT was privatised since I'm sure if it wasn't we'd be keeping up with the Swedes and Japanese.

Originally Posted by Horace

It's relative, most people in this country are probably on 2-4mbit download and .5 upload if that, so to them it is a huge improvement assuming they can get cable and will take the package.

As for BT and fibre, give it another 20 years and you might see the country fibred up assuming the goverment gives BT our taxes. They've never shown any interest in wide-scale deployment, doing a few showcases here and there is meaningless. Up till then cable is my only option for anything faster than 4mbit which is what I'd get with BT's current underinvested infrasture. It's a pity BT was privatised since I'm sure if it wasn't we'd be keeping up with the Swedes and Japanese.

You couldnt be more wrong.

BT wanted to roll out fibre in the 90s, it was blair that said no to them, you can thank him for the fact we all get screwed over with our net now.

BT are in plans to rollout fibre all across the UK, thus why they was on the news today, if the 100mbit trial they are running now works out they are going to do a full roll out.

From what i hear they are thinking about working with H2o and doing it all through the sewers which would see the UK get fibre quite quickly.

[markknell]

It was 5 seconds not 10 and his comparison was to 4 minutes so yes of course it's a lot faster

Originally Posted by TraxData

Well i thought that was obvious as soon as he said "10 seconds, so as youcan see, wow its alot faster"...but what really did it for me was the "you can upload large files quickly!" alot of emphasis on "quickly", to me it was stupidly obvious this guy had no clue what he was going on about.

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Really.... just curious but where the did you hear that ??? BT have been saying for years they will not do it as they will have to pass it on to the competition and it costs too much. They even said so on the report.

Originally Posted by TraxData

BT are in plans to rollout fibre all across the UK, thus why they was on the news today, if the 100mbit trial they are running now works out they are going to do a full roll out.

Originally Posted by markknell

It was 5 seconds not 10 and his comparison was to 4 minutes so yes of course it's a lot faster
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It was still slow, have you tried the BBC speed test ? jumped straights to 2MB/s here.

Really.... just curious but where the did you hear that ??? BT have been saying for years they will not do it as they will have to pass it on to the competition and it costs too much. They even said so on the report.[/QUOTE]

I thought everyone who was around in the late 80s/early 90s knew about this? from what i can recall it was on the news, the govt said no due to finding it too expensive to dig up roads/lay new cable and didnt want to spend our taxes on it!

After that they wouldnt roll fibre out of their own pocket because they would be forced to open it up to other companies thus wasting their money.

Again, as i said, they are trialling 100mbit right now on all new builds, if successful they -will- roll out fibre if people want it.

[markknell]

Come on be serious, they even said in the report this in unlikely to happen due to costs.

Are BT rolling out fibre to anywhere outside Ebbsfleet ??? Hmmm I'd like to see where!

Anyway, I'm off to bed and then away to the US for a week. Enjoy the thread

Originally Posted by TraxData

Again, as i said, they are trialling 100mbit right now on all new builds, if successful they -will- roll out fibre if people want it.

Originally Posted by markknell

Come on be serious, they even said in the report this in unlikely to happen due to costs.

Are BT rolling out fibre to anywhere outside Ebbsfleet ??? Hmmm I'd like to see where!

Anyway, I'm off to bed and then away to the US for a week. Enjoy the thread

Nah, i think you'll note she said if customers want it and are willing to actually pay good prices for it, they'll roll it out, alot is going on with BT atm.

Hope they do anyway, H2o, ask4, BT, VM need some competition.

Enjoy the US

[Jonathan90]

Trax Send me lnik to bbc speedtest please

[nando]

Originally Posted by homealone

It wasn't so much the numbers, themselves, but that they allowed them to be broadcast like a good thing - as in, whomever did the script knew nothing about what 50 Mb/s speed should be & it still got passed through to the final take???

I guess they had to do a like for like comparison. The interviewer had been going all around the country downloading this file...it would have looked odd if he didn't do the same thing on the 50Mbps network. But there's no way it would have reached 50Mbps with such a relatively small file. Like a fast car, it would have still been accelerating when the download finished!

[Horace]

Originally Posted by TraxData

You couldnt be more wrong.

BT wanted to roll out fibre in the 90s, it was blair that said no to them, you can thank him for the fact we all get screwed over with our net now.

Random made up answer doesn't count. Post a reference.

Here's one of mine : http://news.cnet.co.uk/networking/0,...9289100,00.htm

Originally Posted by nando

I guess they had to do a like for like comparison. The interviewer had been going all around the country downloading this file...it would have looked odd if he didn't do the same thing on the 50Mbps network. But there's no way it would have reached 50Mbps with such a relatively small file. Like a fast car, it would have still been accelerating when the download finished!

I agree the first point is relevant from the presenters POV, my point is how did VM marketing people approve it, when it seems to infer their service is slower than advertised - and without any explanation ...

Such as your second point, which is also valid - and could have been used to give a nice positive spin to the piece ???

[nando]

Originally Posted by homealone

I agree the first point is relevant from the presenters POV, my point is how did VM marketing people approve it, when it seems to infer their service is slower than advertised - and without any explanation ...

Such as your second point, which is also valid - and could have been used to give a nice positive spin to the piece ???

Remember it wasn't an advert...it's probably very difficult to get the BBC to report things exactly how you'd like! But it was definately better than nothing!

Originally Posted by nando

Remember it wasn't an advert...it's probably very difficult to get the BBC to report things exactly how you'd like! But it was definately better than nothing!

true, it's just I'd be surprised if it wasn't previewed to VM before being broadcast, and if it was, that they allowed it to apparently misrepresent the service?

- I know I'm just being picky and most people watching the clip won't have got their calculators out

[jungleguy]

the fact is VM BB is alot faster than anything else out there. Lets not split hairs.

I got an AppleTV thing, and I can hire a HD movie off the iTunes web site and I don't have to wait. (Maybe this is the future so maybe download speed is more important than upload speed, its about buying content quickly)

FYI I prefer to hire a movie off iTunes cause I can watch it for 48 hrs, not the poxy 24 hrs VM on-demand offer, but thats another story.

Got to be honest BT have no chance of competing with cable technology.