Last Round on the Underground

Originally Posted by danielf

I read the post(s), read it again, and again, and nope it doesn't say that at all... Stop being so melodramatic Xac.

I think that Xaccers thinks that if he has the last word he has won the argument.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by danielf

I read the post(s), read it again, and again, and nope it doesn't say that at all... Stop being so melodramatic Xac.

Really? So how is saying there isn't a problem because it only affects a few people, and not themselves, so not worth doing anything about showing that they give a damn about those people who are actually affected?

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

I think that Xaccers thinks that if he has the last word he has won the argument.

I notice you've not had the decency to answer the questions put to you.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

I notice you've not had the decency to answer the questions put to you.

If they are anything like the questions you have asked me I don't blame her, they are beneath contempt

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

If they are anything like the questions you have asked me I don't blame her, they are beneath contempt

Ok, so from your posts, I conclude that indeed, you don't give a damn about people who've been affected by drinkers on the tube because 1. it doesn't happen very often and 2. it doesn't happen to you.
Nice.
You've given no evidence contrary to that.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Really? So how is saying there isn't a problem because it only affects a few people, and not themselves, so not worth doing anything about showing that they give a damn about those people who are actually affected?

You've heard of proportionality, haven't you? My neighbours have dogs. They are noisy at times. It annoys me. Do you propose we shoot all dogs?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by danielf

You've heard of proportionality, haven't you? My neighbours have dogs. They are noisy at times. It annoys me. Do you propose we shoot all dogs?

You're comparing banning people from drinking alcohol on a transportation system with shooting dogs????

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

You're comparing banning people from drinking alcohol on a transportation system with shooting dogs????

Yes. Well spotted

You may have noticed I also mentioned proportionality

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Really? So how is saying there isn't a problem because it only affects a few people, and not themselves, so not worth doing anything about showing that they give a damn about those people who are actually affected?

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I notice you've not had the decency to answer the questions put to you.

I did but in your usual style you keep asking the same questions over and over but slightly reworded.Leastways I can't discern any differences.

I've told you what I think and you haven't listened.I therefore have left you to it deciding unilaterally to agree to disagree. Anyway eventually all arguments have to stop somewhere.


And now you can have the last word about the matter and feel you won.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Unless you're suggesting that no one has ever been affected by people drinking on the Tube because you've never seen it. Is that what you two are suggesting?.

I cant speak for the Daddy, but I am pretty sure he feels the sam as I do. There might have been people affected by drunks on the tube, but the majority of people who drink on the tube do not cause trouble. In fact tube workers, and memebers of British Transport police (I have a family friend who is one) have said to me that they do not think that a ban of drinking on the tube is a good idea, and its very difficult to police. Drinking on the tube is not a problem that warrants a blanket ban, especially when its not being implemented on other forms of public transport. I bet if you could get a drinks trolley onto the tube easily it wouldnt be banned.

I do find it strange that someone who doesnt live in London, doesnt use the tube every day, doesnt work on the tube, can feel that he is more qualified in this argument then those that use and work on the tube every single day.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I cant speak for the Daddy, but I am pretty sure he feels the sam as I do. There might have been people affected by drunks on the tube, but the majority of people who drink on the tube do not cause trouble. In fact tube workers, and memebers of British Transport police (I have a family friend who is one) have said to me that they do not think that a ban of drinking on the tube is a good idea, and its very difficult to police. Drinking on the tube is not a problem that warrants a blanket ban, especially when its not being implemented on other forms of public transport. I bet if you could get a drinks trolley onto the tube easily it wouldnt be banned.

I do find it strange that someone who doesnt live in London, doesnt use the tube every day, doesnt work on the tube, can feel that he is more qualified in this argument then those that use and work on the tube every single day.

I've been the victim of drunken violence on the tube. Sorry if that means I can't post saying that I'd rather those youths who were merrily drinking stella before getting nasty were actually prevented from getting drunk and therefore getting violent.
Never mind eh? It's only one case, from someone who doesn't use the tube that often, and doesn't live in London, so it doesn't matter does it? Obviously I was wrong in thinking that the tube was a transportation system and not a public house. You've not seen any problems so there isn't a problem

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Ok, so from your posts, I conclude that indeed, you don't give a damn about people who've been affected by drinkers on the tube because 1. it doesn't happen very often and 2. it doesn't happen to you.
Nice.
You've given no evidence contrary to that.

By the way, no one has said that at all. No one has said that drunks on the tube should not be removed off the tube, no one has said that anyone harrasing another passenger whether they are driunk or not, should not be dealt with.

For me the biggest problem I have faced on the tube is lack of hygiene by a lot of fellow passengers. I have felt more discomfort from being in the presence of sweaty smelly dirty fellow passengers in the summer months mainly, then I any discomfort I have experienced from someone drinking on the tube?

Shall we implement smellameters at the gates/barriers, and not let anyone which a pngfactor 12 or above enter the tube?

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

I've been the victim of drunken violence on the tube. Sorry if that means I can't post saying that I'd rather those youths who were merrily drinking stella before getting nasty were actually prevented from getting drunk and therefore getting violent.
Never mind eh? It's only one case, from someone who doesn't use the tube that often, and doesn't live in London, so it doesn't matter does it? Obviously I was wrong in thinking that the tube was a transportation system and not a public house. You've not seen any problems so there isn't a problem

You seen a couple of problems so there is a large scale problem that warrants a total ban?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

By the way, no one has said that at all. No one has said that drunks on the tube should not be removed off the tube, no one has said that anyone harrasing another passenger whether they are driunk or not, should not be dealt with.

For me the biggest problem I have faced on the tube is lack of hygiene by a lot of fellow passengers. I have felt more discomfort from being in the presence of sweaty smelly dirty fellow passengers in the summer months mainly, then I any discomfort I have experienced from someone drinking on the tube?

Shall we implement smellameters at the gates/barriers, and not let anyone which a pngfactor 12 or above enter the tube?

No instead you've said that you're happy for people to be able to get drunk on the tube then be kicked out, while ignoring that between getting drunk and being kicked out they're free to cause trouble.
Having suffered all my life with anosmia, I would love to spend all day being able to smell sweaty arm pits and stinking feet. Consider yourself lucky that you are able to, especially if you ever come home and smell gas. Some of us aren't that fortunate.
Course odours aren't going to give you a black eye, or gang up with other odours and push a tramp under a train.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

You seen a couple of problems so there is a large scale problem that warrants a total ban?

You see the tube as a public house?

Well after the reaction I just got for expressing my opinion I'm giving up on this thread...

dummy...thrown..pram.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

No instead you've said that you're happy for people to be able to get drunk on the tube then be kicked out, while ignoring that between getting drunk and being kicked out they're free to cause trouble.
Having suffered all my life with anosmia, I would love to spend all day being able to smell sweaty arm pits and stinking feet. Consider yourself lucky that you are able to, especially if you ever come home and smell gas. Some of us aren't that fortunate.
Course odours aren't going to give you a black eye, or gang up with other odours and push a tramp under a train.



You see the tube as a public house?

You are a total hypocrite now. Because you cant smell it its not a problem for you so we should be lucky that we can smell it. I have had to leave a tube before my stop because some stinky smelly armpit in my face otherwise I would have thrown up in the carriage.

Anyway I 'd have thought that some of the codswallap you've posted in this thread would have been strong enough for even you to smell.

I have said that trouble makers should be kicked out. What you are saying is that everyone who drinks is a potential troublemaker. Spot the difference?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

You are a total hypocrite now. Because you cant smell it its not a problem for you so we should be lucky that we can smell it. I have had to leave a tube before my stop because some stinky smelly armpit in my face otherwise I would have thrown up in the carriage.

Anyway I 'd have thought that some of the codswallap you've posted in this thread would have been strong enough for even you to smell.

I have said that trouble makers should be kicked out. What you are saying is that everyone who drinks is a potential troublemaker. Spot the difference?

For pointing out that being able to smell is something I wish I could do? Great.
Perhaps you missed the point that an odour won't give you a black eye, or push someone under a train? Or was that something you hoped I wouldn't mention?

I'm saying that the tube is not a drinking establishment. You've got commuters, travellers, crowded platforms, limited seating, noise, confusion, electrified rails, thundering trains. You really think that makes it a suitable place to drink?