remember the pay tv ofcom investigation - turns out SKY missed the deadline

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12...statement.html
Tvtimes you seem to be so un-informed I sincerely doubt the wisdom of continuing to try to debate these self evident truths with you.

Remember ignorance is never a defence.

As you are non-VM user continually arguing with people who have the service I wonder who is living in ignorance here Mick.
I know your story of life with cable is horror story but put any service provider into google and you will find horror stories similar to yours, including Sky.
Still if it gives you satisfaction after all the trouble VM caused you then carry on.

Incidentally to say that cable internet is overpriced and poor defies logic. Why? Because cable broadband is adding customers. If it were that bad not only would people not want to sign up but existing customers would be leaving faster than they could add new ones.

[Mick Fisher]

Originally Posted by ahardie

As you are non-VM user continually arguing with people who have the service I wonder who is living in ignorance here Mick.
I know your story of life with cable is horror story but put any service provider into google and you will find horror stories similar to yours, including Sky.
Still if it gives you satisfaction after all the trouble VM caused you then carry on.

Incidentally to say that cable internet is overpriced and poor defies logic. Why? Because cable broadband is adding customers. If it were that bad not only would people not want to sign up but existing customers would be leaving faster than they could add new ones.

You too are mis-informed as I am still a 20meg broad band customer with VM as well as being a Be Unlimited customer. Hey damn the expense, it's only money.

I wouldn't worry your head about it though as tvtimes and I have a history of good natured banter as indeed I thought I have had with yourself on a number of occasions.

Lifes too short to get too twisted up about things and as I have mentioned before I am much calmer now since I cancelled VM DTV for Sky+. Now that really is a fact and not an opinion.

[Chrysalis]

yep same here not regretted ditching analogue ntl for sky one bit, sky+ is wonderful for me also after a few hiccups which they fixed.

[tvtimes]

Originally Posted by Morden

PR/BR/JR who cares why question any one who doesnt hold your views, life is like that some like coffee, others Tea get over it ?

Or as Harry Hill says whos best Virgin Or Sky, there's only one way to find out fight.

Que person dressed up in Virgin Logo Fights Person dressed up in Sky logo.

I am not questioning anyone who does not hold my views Mike i simply showed that there has been things launched since the removal of the Sky basics which was a response to another member not yourself and then you chose to question my reply.

I'm not interested in getting into a tit for tat battle with you but if you're going to post nonsense or things i don't agree with them i will ask you why and air my views after all this is a open public forum not zimbabwe.

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Originally Posted by Mick Fisher

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12...statement.html
Tvtimes you seem to be so un-informed I sincerely doubt the wisdom of continuing to try to debate these self evident truths with you.

Remember ignorance is never a defence.

Riiiiiiight, so i said my download limits are not affected and i can dowload as much files as i like and then you said soon i won't be able to over night i asked you for proof of this and you posted a link regarding STM? I was talking about download allowances as the amount of gb you can download per month which has sod all to do with STM. So i asked you for a link and you have quoted a link of nonsense that is irrelevant to my point? If anyone is ill informed it's you mate

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Originally Posted by ahardie

As you are non-VM user continually arguing with people who have the service I wonder who is living in ignorance here Mick.
I know your story of life with cable is horror story but put any service provider into google and you will find horror stories similar to yours, including Sky.
Still if it gives you satisfaction after all the trouble VM caused you then carry on.

Yeah lol, the world hypocrite comes to mind for me! Hates the service and has the option of ADSL but choses not tooI wonder why

Originally Posted by ahardie

Incidentally to say that cable internet is overpriced and poor defies logic. Why? Because cable broadband is adding customers. If it were that bad not only would people not want to sign up but existing customers would be leaving faster than they could add new ones.

Yep you're right there!
Cable is by far the biggest ISP in the country and has over a 100,000 customers joining ever month for bb alone whilst their churn is signficantly lower and they are reporting their best quarter results ever! Hardly seems like your average Joe is unhappy with prices and VM being uncompetitive because otherwise people would not be joining the way they are! BB is VMs strong point by far! VM is charging the prices it is because the majority of customers get their advertised speeds and don't constantly receive drop outs! My mate is on Sky and can't wait for his contract to be up so he can move his TV and BB over to VM i can't say i blame him because he pays them for 16meg and gets roughly 4-7 meg with drop outs at least twice a week!

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

yep same here not regretted ditching analogue ntl for sky one bit, sky+ is wonderful for me also after a few hiccups which they fixed.

lol you're seriously comparing Sky+ to ntl analogue! my word!

[Morden]

So Who won Sky Or Virgin ?

[Rhyming Obituary]

Originally Posted by Morden

So Who won Sky Or Virgin ?

Shareholders.

[tvtimes]

Originally Posted by Morden

So Who won Sky Or Virgin ?

It has not been decided yet my friend and this investigation is a totally different matter although it does play a part in the investigation Basically this investigation is to an investigation into the paytv market and both big players Sky and VM are being investigated. This is because of lots of factors
I will supply you a link to ofcoms website http://www.ofcom.org.uk/media/news/2007/03/nr_20070320

Th actual court case for the Sky basics issues is still yet to go ahead and should be going to court this summer. No doubt the losing party will then appeal and it will drag out even further whilst other customers lose out.

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Originally Posted by tvtimes

Yep you're right there!
Cable is by far the biggest ISP in the country and has over a 100,000 customers joining ever month for bb alone

Just noticed my cock up there! 100,000 customers every month? VM wish lol I meant every quarter.

[lostandconfused]

Originally Posted by Morden

So Who won Sky Or Virgin ?

I would imagine the lawyers would have done quite well out of it...

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by tvtimes

lol you're seriously comparing Sky+ to ntl analogue! my word!

Yes because analogue is all ntl would offer me as they refuse to upgrade the area to digital.

You may think is unfair but until vm upgrade all the areas to digital analogue is 'current' service in some areas and is what will be compared against.

Where I am now is also analogue only, same for one of my sisters.

[Nilrem]

Originally Posted by lostandconfused

I would imagine the lawyers would have done quite well out of it...

The lawyers always win in the long run, even if the company they are representing, or justice doesn't.

[tvtimes]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Yes because analogue is all ntl would offer me as they refuse to upgrade the area to digital.

You may think is unfair but until vm upgrade all the areas to digital analogue is 'current' service in some areas and is what will be compared against.

Where I am now is also analogue only, same for one of my sisters.

Fair enough then. Shame really because it would be great for you if you actually had the choice. I can't live without ondemand now

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Yes because analogue is all ntl would offer me as they refuse to upgrade the area to digital.

You may think is unfair but until vm upgrade all the areas to digital analogue is 'current' service in some areas and is what will be compared against.

Where I am now is also analogue only, same for one of my sisters.

Sadly, Virgin Media are short sighted enough that they don't see the potential profits in actually extending the network. They preferred just to buy other pre-built networks..

[Chrysalis]

Yes basically for me I am comparing freeview (poor as I am on the edge of 2 transmittors), vm analogue (was poor 2 years ago when I was on ntl analogue and I wasnt happy I was paying more than ntl digital customers, why would I voluntairly choose analogue over didigtal service), sky digital (as far as I am concerned is a very good service).

Stuart I couldnt agree more.

First off scrapping analogue frees up bandwidth on the cable equipment which would help broadband, they would no longer have the problem of managing two difference services billing etc., they may actually gain customers I cant think of many people who would pick analogue cable over digital sky (sorry I can they pick it because can clone broadband modems and use hacked tv boxes )

VM have at least woke up to one thing, they finally realised they should be concentrating on broadband instead of tv as the tv is a lose lose for them. They are at least in my city started to work on the broadband coverage, the sister who is in a analogue area has very recently ordered VM broadband they upgraded the cables on her street. Sadly still no plans for my area.

[Toto]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

Sadly, Virgin Media are short sighted enough that they don't see the potential profits in actually extending the network. They preferred just to buy other pre-built networks..

What profits, they are still paying off debt acrued for purchasing existing networks. How could going further into debt make their business profitable, when many here say they are leaving for one reason or another.

[m419]

Thats right,for example Telewest acquired Eurobell for £282 Million in November 2000 and then spent £50,000 on removing Eurobell Telephone boxes which was stupid as money could be made through kiosk-glass advertising.So how do you think they got that money because just 1 year before in 1999 Telewest also acquired NTL's (Formerly Comcast) share in Cable London for £428 Million and also acquired NTL's (Formerly Comcast) share in Birmingham Cable for undisclosed amount.They obviously borrowed it!Then both companies have done there fair share at acquiring Cable companies and shares:Telewest:Eurobell (2001)Flextech TV (2000?)Imminus Business Telco servicesCable London 50% stake from NTL(1999)Birmingham Cable 50% stake from NTL(1999)Cable Internet(Blueyonder) 50% stake from CWC(Nynex,VT)Yorkshire Cable (Around 1998)General Cable (Around 1998)Cable Corp (All remaining shares)United Artists UK (Telewest's original areas until the company was demerged from United Artists now called Qwest.) That must have cost a lot!!!NTL:Telewest Communications(2006)Virgin Mobile Telecoms UK (2006)Virgin Group's 50% stake of Virgin.net(2003)Cable and Wireless Communications *** (2000)Diamond Cable (1999)Comcast UK partnerships(1998)Comtel(1998)***C&W- Did not include One2One or Mercury infrastructure.And so many moreAlthough Virgin Media(NTL) did off load NTL Broadcast and its 50% stakes in Telewest franchises. so they probably paid some off that way????