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AlexanderHanff · 03-04-2008, 13:09

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Originally Posted by OF1975

One disappointing thing is that people are still buying Phorm shares. Someone bought 1208 shares at 10:31am this morning. Maybe Phorm staff/directors trying to shore up the shares?

Where are you seeing that? I am only seeing 3 trades so far today, one at 08:05 a 208 hare "sell"; one at 08:17 a 500 share "buy" and one at 10:31 a 500 share sell. The total comes to 1208 but over 50% of that was from the 2 dumps.

Alexander Hanff

kt88man · 03-04-2008, 13:41

Posted on virginmedia.feedback earlier this morning

turbo wrote:
Just announced on BBC24 news ( 10.23am) that the information Commissioner has declared BT's testing of Phorm with customer data is a clear case of intercepting data , and further action is being taken...

Is anyone able to confirm this.

OF1975 · 03-04-2008, 13:47

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

Where are you seeing that? I am only seeing 3 trades so far today, one at 08:05 a 208 hare "sell"; one at 08:17 a 500 share "buy" and one at 10:31 a 500 share sell. The total comes to 1208 but over 50% of that was from the 2 dumps.

Alexander Hanff

Mea Culpa. I made a mistake. You are right Alexander.

That zoiezoie is really getting on my nerves on the iii comments board. Anyone think I am out of line with the posts I have made to that board as Stazi Phormistan?

bliss · 03-04-2008, 13:47

Did anyone just see channel 4 news? They were grilling a BT spokesperson over PHORM.

Itshim · 03-04-2008, 13:53

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Originally Posted by kt88man

Posted on virginmedia.feedback earlier this morning

turbo wrote:
Just announced on BBC24 news ( 10.23am) that the information Commissioner has declared BT's testing of Phorm with customer data is a clear case of intercepting data , and further action is being taken...

Is anyone able to confirm this.

Not on BBC web site a lot of hot air / I think / he thinks but nothing that firm

kt88man · 03-04-2008, 14:00

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Originally Posted by Itshim

Not on BBC web site a lot of hot air / I think / he thinks but nothing that firm

Cheers - I couldn't find anything either.

AlexanderHanff · 03-04-2008, 14:00

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Originally Posted by Itshim

Not on BBC web site a lot of hot air / I think / he thinks but nothing that firm

I am desperately trying to confirm this from another source but I can't find anything yet and nothing on ICO web site either. BUT if it is true this is a MAJOR piece of news. If ICO declare it is an unlawful interception then surely criminal charges -must- follow as there is no provision under the law for this to be diverted through litigation. There is an option under the guidelines for RIPA to litigate in addition to criminal charges but not instead of.

I hope we find some confirmation soon.

Alexander Hanff

Toto · 03-04-2008, 14:01

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Originally Posted by kt88man

Posted on virginmedia.feedback earlier this morning

turbo wrote:
Just announced on BBC24 news ( 10.23am) that the information Commissioner has declared BT's testing of Phorm with customer data is a clear case of intercepting data , and further action is being taken...

Is anyone able to confirm this.

I saw the item on news24. I need to correct something.

The IC has NOT said that BT's testing of a new advertising protocol was illegal, a privacy expert said that, what the report went on to say was that the IC are now investigating.

Worth noting too that the report NEVER mentioned Phorm by name. The news piece was done by Julia Caesar.

AlexanderHanff · 03-04-2008, 14:07

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Originally Posted by Toto

I saw the item on news24. I need to correct something.

The IC has NOT said that BT's testing of a new advertising protocol was illegal, a privacy expert said that, what the report went on to say was that the IC are now investigating.

Worth noting too that the report NEVER mentioned Phorm by name. The news piece was done by Julia Caesar.

The IC doesn't need to state it was illegal, all the IC needs to confirm is whether or not there was an interception. If there was then this would logically have to go before a Judge (and Jury) in order for a judgement of guilt (and thus illegality). So if the IC has stated this was an interception as the News24 headline suggest, then it is a very significant headline.

Alexander Hanff

popper · 03-04-2008, 14:09

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Originally Posted by Ravenheart

For anyone who missed it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/c...bbram=1&asb=1l

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/new...news=1&bbcws=1

And just in...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04...orm_interview/

for anyone that preferes to use a 3rd party player such as VLC directly on your other OS heres a working direct mms URL
mms://wm-acl.bbc.co.uk/wms/news/media_acl/mps/fix/news/business/video/163000/bb/163377_16x9_bb.wmv

lol, you were spying on your customers......
mms://wm-acl.bbc.co.uk/wms/news/media_acl/mps/fix/news/business/video/163000/bb/163376_16x9_bb.wmv

from Elreg "
Bootnote

Friends tell us BT will get a grilling on Channel 4 News today."
so keep your eyes open

cant find the clips if they exist yet?

Concerns over data pimping deal
Last Modified: 04 Mar 2008
By: Channel 4 News

http://www.channel4.com/news/article...g+deal/1703547

CaptJamieHunter · 03-04-2008, 14:12

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Originally Posted by OF1975

That zoiezoie is really getting on my nerves on the iii comments board. Anyone think I am out of line with the posts I have made to that board as Stazi Phormistan?

Oh Goddess forbid that people who didn't know anything about investing before now should start educating investors about the real issues surrounding Phorm! I often thought city types lived with their heads inserted up their posteriors - this goes a long way to confirming it.

Sadly I can't reply to her comments yet. Got to wait 48 hours until I'm approved

The real world is impacting on zoiezoie's little dream world and she's going to scream and scream and scream until she's sick!

roadrunner69 · 03-04-2008, 14:13

Have just submitted a question to 'Question Time' have your say.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ay/default.stm

I assume the main issues are decided beforehand but if a few more peeps on here submit questions relating to this issue it may elevate it somewhat.
The more mainstream publicity the better.

**Maggy** · 03-04-2008, 14:16

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7325451.stm

The BBC now have it on their website.

Toto · 03-04-2008, 14:16

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

The IC doesn't need to state it was illegal, all the IC needs to confirm is whether or not there was an interception. If there was then this would logically have to go before a Judge (and Jury) in order for a judgement of guilt (and thus illegality). So if the IC has stated this was an interception as the News24 headline suggest, then it is a very significant headline.

Alexander Hanff

Alexander, my point was to correct a factual inaccuracy in the news report that was quoted by the poster, I am not passing my opinion on the outcome of any investigation that the IC will make.

AlexanderHanff · 03-04-2008, 14:25

OK, I just got off the phone with Catie MacDonald from the ICO press office and the findings are frankly shocking.

Apparently ICO are -not- investigating Phorm at all, they are reviewing documents they asked Phorm to send them but it was reiterated over and over again that there is definitely no official investigation by ICO with regards to Phorm.

Furthermore, there is no investigation with regards the BT secret trials of 2006 and 2007 in any capacity whatsoever.

I asked why ICO are not investigating the BT and it was just reiterated that the only thing regarding the Phorm technology that ICO are doing is reviewing documents requested from Phorm.

I just had a call back from ICO and was told that RIPA is nothing to do with ICO and falls under the umbrella of the Home Office.

This is shocking news given the reports in the press over the past month claiming ICO are investigating. They were not very happy to talk to me at ICO either and stated I was not permitted to quote them and would not even give me a name until I first gave them my name, address and phone number. This was despite me explaining that I am a student at University studying privacy issues as part of my Sociology major (which I can prove with half a dozen academic papers I have written over the past 15 months on privacy issues).

Alexander Hanff