Gurkha veterans seek equal rights - Page 6

23-03-2008, 15:29

Why are you constantly bringing it up Xaccers we are talking about equal rights for gurkhas and you have to keep flogging that dead horse in relation to this. I am sure a mod said to keep this on topic and that topic is equal rights for gurkhas not what a few might have done somewhere sometime. If you can't do that simple don't post but stop trying to antagonise the majority of posters in this thread that support the gurkhas.

Xaccers · 23-03-2008, 15:55

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Why are you constantly bringing it up Xaccers we are talking about equal rights for gurkhas and you have to keep flogging that dead horse in relation to this. I am sure a mod said to keep this on topic and that topic is equal rights for gurkhas not what a few might have done somewhere sometime. If you can't do that simple don't post but stop trying to antagonise the majority of posters in this thread that support the gurkhas.

Stop trying to make out I don't support the gurkhas.
It's been suggested that all of them should be allowed to settle, I pointed out that there is one group I know of which frankly I don't believe should be welcomed due to their criminal actions, whether they've fought for Britain or not.
Now you may be able to turn a blind eye to their actions, I cannot, a 14 year old boy is dead, his family have lost their son.

Lets also not forget that although most of us hold the belief that if someone is willing to die for out nation and it's values, we owe them, there is a treaty to protect Nepal which prevents the nationalisation of Gurkhas.
Working within that I would like regular assessments of the well being of ex-servicemen in Nepal to ensure that none of them are suffering medically or financially.

MovedGoalPosts · 23-03-2008, 16:06

Whilst there may be the occasional unacceptable act perpetrated by members of the armed forces, it's unfair to hijack this thread and tar all the Gurkhas with the same brush due to one incident. Let's move on now please.

23-03-2008, 16:09

I just reread that link you posted to make double sure and i was correct the court martial is ongoing therefore not concluded and no one has yet been found guilty, How many other threads have you commented that people should wait for the outcome and till all the facts are known before making judgements you have done it in at least a couple i know of so why the difference this time. Also according to the article the three on trial were not in the opinion of the crown the one's that killed the boy. So can we forget about that and get back onto the main topic which is of equal rights for gurkhas. Didn't see mod's post please delete if you feel it appropriate

MovedGoalPosts · 23-03-2008, 16:21

RizzyKing's post is the last one on the matter. Any more will be considered off topic and subject to the wrath of the team.

Back to the debate on rights of residence now please.

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Any more posts ignoring moderator warnings will see this thread closed permanently.

Stu038 · 23-03-2008, 16:55

I can't see many saying that Gurkha's should automatically become British citizens after serving and hence breaking the terms of the 1947 agreement hinted at a couple of times, just that they should be allowed to live here.
Semantics perhaps but isn't that what many of the arguments in this thread are anyway?

I however will say, stuff the treaty and allow them to stay if they want to.

Perhaps its because I'm a right wing militaristic radical but I quite like the idea banded about in the Heinlein novel that despite spawning the dire film Starship troopers, had a very valid message about society, in that to have any say in the running of the country you should have been willing to sacrifice something for it, and these little buggers to my mind have more right than the majority of useless cowards who hide behind words while populating not only the houses of parliament but too many forums.

And before anyone gets on their high horse of freedom of speech don't bother cos I don't believe in it.

**Hugh** · 23-03-2008, 17:07

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Originally Posted by Stu038

...snippety snip....
And before anyone gets on their high horse of freedom of speech don't bother cos I don't believe in it.

That's funny, because Heinlein did - blog

I always find it amusing that people who don't believe in "freedom of speech" use freedom of speech to express that opinion.

Sirius · 23-03-2008, 17:09

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Originally Posted by Stu038

I can't see many saying that Gurkha's should automatically become British citizens after serving and hence breaking the terms of the 1947 agreement hinted at a couple of times, just that they should be allowed to live here.
Semantics perhaps but isn't that what many of the arguments in this thread are anyway?

I however will say, stuff the treaty and allow them to stay if they want to.

Perhaps its because I'm a right wing militaristic radical but I quite like the idea banded about in the Heinlein novel that despite spawning the dire film Starship troopers, had a very valid message about society, in that to have any say in the running of the country you should have been willing to sacrifice something for it, and these little buggers to my mind have more right than the majority of useless cowards who hide behind words while populating not only the houses of parliament but too many forums.

And before anyone gets on their high horse of freedom of speech don't bother cos I don't believe in it.

Very good post

My last words in this thread.

Anyone that is willing to fight for this country and is willing to put there neck on the line for those who would not will get my vote every ruddy time.

I sometimes wonder how we have got to a position in this country where those that will defend it with there lives's are knocked by those who have never had the guts to defend this country.

Stu038 · 23-03-2008, 17:17

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

That's funny, because Heinlein did - blog

I always find it amusing that people who don't believe in "freedom of speech" use freedom of speech to express that opinion.

Wonderful thing irony

**Hugh** · 23-03-2008, 17:22

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Originally Posted by Stu038

Wonderful thing irony

If understood and applied properly

Sirius · 30-09-2008, 13:20

Excellent news

The Gurkha's have won their test case. More to follow on the BBC news website and on sky news website.

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If they win, they and many of their comrades will be allowed to take up residency in the country they adopted and fought for over so many years.

"Better to die than be a coward". It's with that motto that more than 200,000 men from Nepal have fought alongside and as part of the British Army for almost 200 years.

And it is with the same determined nature that they have fought in the courts to win the right to remain in the UK after they retire.

At last we are to allow the Gurkha's to live in the country they have defended sometimes with there very lives. This is just one of the many Gurkha's who have put there lives on the line for this country

In the past they have had to beg to stay in this country

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That meant those who wanted to settle here had to apply for British residence and could be refused and deported.

MovedGoalPosts · 30-09-2008, 13:37

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7644441.stm

This decision makes a lot of sense and should never have needed tribunal. These guys are much less of a waste of space having served us, compared to many of the immigrants who have a right of abode.

Sirius · 30-09-2008, 13:42

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Originally Posted by Rob

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7644441.stm

This decision makes a lot of sense and should never have needed tribunal. These guys are much less of a waste of space having served us, compared to many of the immigrants who have a right of abode.

But it does seem the norm here now that *******s get all the rights and those that most need and deserve our support have to fight for it.

Anyway i am very happy they have won this case, Now all we need is to get this Government to support our own troops instead of treating them so badly.

**Damien** · 30-09-2008, 14:57

It is ridiculous that this needed to go the court. Was anyone opposed to this, was there a defence mounted by anyone? Have any Gurkas been kicked out of the country?

piggy · 30-09-2008, 15:00

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Originally Posted by Sirius

But it does seem the norm here now that *******s get all the rights and those that most need and deserve our support have to fight for it.

Anyway i am very happy they have won this case, Now all we need is to get this Government to support our own troops instead of treating them so badly.

totally agree