Chav/Charva *******s are taking over

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Derek S

I mentioned it seeing a lot of people seem to think all the Police do is sit about drinking coffee, eating cakes and sighing loudly whenever they have to attend a call. The job is completely different to most peoples idea of what it involves. As is mentioned in new officer training up and down the land. "It isn't like the bill"

So out of these 27 incidents and poor response time, have you complained to the local force regarding them? If so what was their answer?

Used a family contact within the force to give the station commander a kick up the backside, while at the same time, a new PC who was still into making a difference also went to the station commander to say I was being targetted and nothing had been done.
Had cameras installed for a few days, couple of arrests were made and then dropped, an hour after the "hidden" cameras were removed, my back patio door was smashed.
I managed to sell the house and just wanted to put it all behind me.
The beat bobby responsible for naff all being done only had 13 months left until retirement, and they weren't interested in disciplining him.

[joglynne]

Derek. Both times when I asked for Police assistance I had no complaint about the time it took for the Police to attend. It was the use of the sirens that I queried. On the second call out I was told that it was Police policy, which I admit did shut me up.

I have a great deal of sympathy for the Police on the streets, though I do wonder if maybe a small minority take the easy route. It's a job that I freely admit I would be too scared to do myself.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Considering in most areas approx £200 from every household goes to the police, is it really too much to ask that they perform their responsibilities in an effective manner rather than in whatever way results in the least hassle and paperwork for them?
Should we really have to give up our free time on top of the £200 in order to get a good police force?

I phoned the police because a wanted criminal was outside hacking at a tree with a machette.
An hour later they arrived, with siren and lights going (in a traffic free cul-de-sac) so of course he bolted and they were unwilling to go hunt for him.

I had a kid throw a rock through my car windscreen, witnessed by neighbours who were willing to give a statement to the police.
Two turned up, I directed them to my neighbours who were waiting up for the police, and they just didn't bother knocking on their door, despite having to pass their house on the way back to their car.
27 incidents I had reported involving attacks on my house, and not one was being investigated.

.........i phoned the police at 6-30 on a Sunday evening , a group of chav's were destroying cars [hitting them with wooden batons ]i removed a baton from the chav'e leader ,and was informed they would set fire to my car and also "pour petrol thru my letter box and burn me in my sleep"the police arrived at 8 pm on Tuesday, and were gobsmacked at my response which ended in...off, i pay for a police force and get a police farce

[papa smurf]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/7303135.stm just when you think it cant get any worse

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/7303135.stm just when you think it cant get any worse

They're exchanging expensive PCs with less expensive admin staff.
Pretty pointless to have a PC sat at a desk doing work a cheaper admin person could do.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

They're exchanging expensive PCs with less expensive admin staff.
Pretty pointless to have a PC sat at a desk doing work a cheaper admin person could do.

i agree with the bit about having pcs at a desk , but does it make sense to diminish the force by 300 , could they not employ office staff and keep the much needed pcs .

[Derek]

If its done correctly then it'll work out better in the long run.
Unfortunately most of these jobs are being done by Police officers for a reason and I would suggest all that'll happen is the desk bound PC's will get some civvy assistants and the actual number of front line officers stays static.

[Xaccers]

Basically the government made moves to force an increase in the size of the police force without actually looking into how best to do it, so consiquently there are loads of coppers doing paperwork etc that should be done by admin staff simply so the government can claim the number of PCs is at an all time high.
What's happening now is the media has woken up to a lack of correlation between numbers of PCs and crime reduction, and moved onto the waste of money simply getting PCs to do every police job causes.

This issue is the same as most with this overnment it looks good at first then as time goes on you see the nasty truth. I am all for getting civvy's in to do what does not require an officer and getting max numbers of pc's out and about.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Derek S

I mentioned it seeing a lot of people seem to think all the Police do is sit about drinking coffee, eating cakes and sighing loudly whenever they have to attend a call. The job is completely different to most peoples idea of what it involves. As is mentioned in new officer training up and down the land. "It isn't like the bill"

So out of these 27 incidents and poor response time, have you complained to the local force regarding them? If so what was their answer?

I dont want to cause an argument, but I can only comment on my local force and they are far from good.

This one officer per car is a farce, I got in a car with one officer to go after 2 guys who had given another guy a serious beating late at night in my front garden. I honestly beleive that had I not gone out with my baseball bat the guy could of been killed, or at least spent more than the one night in hospital he got away with.

I got in the car with the officer and we saw the 2 guys, I pointed them out and the officer stopped the car. The officer would not get out of the car and said to me 'There are 2 of them' I said 'There are 2 of us' but instead he called for backup allowing them to run away.

My parents had a spate of trouble with some drug dealers, the police were a waste of time. My parents had the bay window smashed in, the car vandalised on more than one occasion. There was CCTV evidence and eye witnesses but the police did nothing, in the end I had to point out to my mother that it would of been better to sort the probem out myself. (which she stopped me from doing)

One evening I got called again because there had been trouble, I was so annoyed at being disturbed yet aain that I went and dealt with the 2 drugged up pieces of ****. The problem was solved, no more trouble and they shortly moved.

I believe the problem of getting them to court, difficulty in getting a conviction and then the court not dishing out suitable punishment is the reason for apathy amongst many officers in my area.

I have always supported the police and believe they are damned if they do and damned if they don't but even i hear more and more about lacklustre policing. I can understand that putting in a lot of work and getting nowhere is demoralising but tbh thats life and surely anyone that joins a police force knows what they are getting into if not initially then at some point in the training.

Get two officers back in cars in fact always have pairs of officers and get more of them out of the cars and back on the beat. A police car driving past any given area is effective for maybe 20-30 secs an officer on the beat is effective a lot longer. As for the argument that cars can cover greater distance and more often is rubbish and police officers become non personal and the people they serve relate to the car not the officer.

Get the police back out into community's get them building relationships with people and watch crime go down. Right now i only see a police officer when i report something and them coming to my door makes it clear i have reported which in turn does not encourage me to do it and make myself and my family a target. If police officers routinely visited homes for chats and to introduce themselves and build relationships they would get greater local intelligence and also would mean less chance of people being targeted for giving information.

Originally Posted by Incognitas

..last week there was a shouting match with a gang of teenagers fuelled by booze/drugs..

Common occurrence around these parts, unhappily. Weekends are the worst.
I dread Friday nights - and I mean, I dread them.
I have to call the police probably every 2 out of four weekends without fail - sometimes through the week. The kids 'round here scare the life out of everyone.
The police don't come anymore - no exaggeration. They just don't arrive.

Last time I rang to speak to someone they gave me the usual log number and said let them know if things don't calm down. I rang back 20 mins later to say things were actually getting worse and gave them the log number.
It didn't exist.
When I asked why it didn't exist and why nobody had been to move on the fighting kids, they said "oh, it'll have been merged with another local incident and written off as 'attended to'. It happens all the time, we couldn't cope otherwise!".
I don't blame them - they're stretched to the max.
I'm not sure I blame anyone really, but I do know people think I'm exaggerating when I say it's a horrible, horrible place to live here now. My Wife doesn't leave the house once it gets dark. Once I'd go out to challenge kids. Now I just hope they'll pass by quickly and not kick my wing mirrors off.

P.S. Never heard the term 'charva'. Sounds like some kind of coffee to me?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by kryogenik

Common occurrence around these parts, unhappily. Weekends are the worst.
I dread Friday nights - and I mean, I dread them.
I have to call the police probably every 2 out of four weekends without fail - sometimes through the week. The kids 'round here scare the life out of everyone.
The police don't come anymore - no exaggeration. They just don't arrive.

Last time I rang to speak to someone they gave me the usual log number and said let them know if things don't calm down. I rang back 20 mins later to say things were actually getting worse and gave them the log number.
It didn't exist.
When I asked why it didn't exist and why nobody had been to move on the fighting kids, they said "oh, it'll have been merged with another local incident and written off as 'attended to'. It happens all the time, we couldn't cope otherwise!".
I don't blame them - they're stretched to the max.
I'm not sure I blame anyone really, but I do know people think I'm exaggerating when I say it's a horrible, horrible place to live here now. My Wife doesn't leave the house once it gets dark. Once I'd go out to challenge kids. Now I just hope they'll pass by quickly and not kick my wing mirrors off.

P.S. Never heard the term 'charva'. Sounds like some kind of coffee to me?

it seems to be a national epidemic that targets all households in all a areas ,i would like to see a zero tolerance policy here is cleethorpes , but we just don't have a viable police force , and if you do something yourself then the law turns on you , sooner or later someone will snap and there will be tragic consequences

[Chris Davo]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

If my town is anything to go by there is now one officer per car and people expect him to go up against a whole gang on his own ???

Depends if it was Robocop or not!!

[frogstamper]

What about the parents of these little thugs, I have read this entire thread and like in the newspapers as well it doesn't seem uncommon for kids of 10 to be out in large groups causing a nuisance. I say the police should take the little brats home and charge the parent with neglect, hit them in the pocket, because no child of ten should be out roaming the streets at night.