Wait, Wait, Wait... Sky's beating VM?!

Ye all tested one at a time.

[webcrawler2050]

The point being Sky may *apear* to be *Winning* when in reality they arn't. I know that, every other person on this forum knows that. Any one who has Tech knowledge knows that.

Sky ARE NOT winning as you put it.. I think you will VM ARE. The reasons???

Sky have done what they done best, cheat. They did it with the telly because they where worried and scared and down the same thing with BB - they under cut prices, so some people being stupid, go wow nice price, when its not about the price. But some it is.

heres a good example - if you order your bed just based on price, then the likely hood is people will buy the cheapest one and the results will be, bad back, dont sleep, blah blah blah, where as if you shop around and still get a good price and spend that little more, then the likely hood is you will sleep wont have a bad back etc..

The same theory applies to BB - You base on price and you WILL NOT get anywhere close to the speed, not a sausage, nadda, zilche!

Where as if you pay that little more, you will get the speed if not close. You get Fibre, you get so much more than Sky can offer!

The problem is, people in this country and greedy gits and all they think about is money! The same theory, applies to web hosting, people see the 45-9034785093478GB of space for $2.00 a month and jump up and down.

My point being "The Blue Raja" SHUTUP!

I really dont mind paying what I pay for BB because I have almost everything in one place, phone, bb, mobile, And telly shortly.

Too many people blamm poor speeds on VM when in reality its probably there poor ability to setup a network and router correctly.

Lets look at some prices shall we:

SKY

Telly = 6 Mixes + Movies = £38 + sky + £99 One Time or Sky HD + £199.99 One time
BB = A good speed 8MB = £5.00 Per month + £30.00 Activation Fee (YOU WONT GET 8MB) If you are an exisiting customer.
Phone Fixed Line = £11.50 Line Rental (PAID TO BT) £5.00 a month for "Unlimited" Calls

One off fee = £129.99

TOtal Monthly =

Virgine Media -

3 for £65

20 MB Broadband - No Bandwith Limit
Telly - £75 One off for Equivalent to Sky + & SKy HD
Phone - £18.95 a month Inclduing unlimited calls - Included above.

one of fee £75 + £10.00 installation. = £85.00

Total = £65 + £85.00 one off

My Point exactly!

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Fair enough - your robbing VM or you work for them, normal VM customers do pay 37 quid a month though.

Not all they don't - VM are doing mega deals at the moment - Customers can get 20Mb for £10 a month for three months then it reverts to £20 after that if taken with a phone line as well.

But Sky could charge 50p for their BB - I wouldn't put my money into the coffers of someone who apparently known to influence the media.

[webcrawler2050]

Originally Posted by Mick

Not all they don't - VM are doing mega deals at the moment - Customers can get 20Mb for £10 a month for three months then it reverts to £20 after that if taken with a phone line as well.

But Sky could charge 50p for their BB - I wouldn't put my money into the coffers of someone who apparently known to influence the media.

Exactly, the word FREE worries me personally - I see that as a con to "steal" customers.

Originally Posted by webcrawler2050

Exactly, the word FREE worries me personally - I see that as a con to "steal" customers.

I see it as a "loss leader" - many companies do it.

[ceedee]

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Otherwise its a free, (base upto 2meg), 8 meg for a fiver or a tenner for upto 16 meg if you don't include that.

@TBR -- perhaps you could offer me some advice?

I'm on the point of leaving VM (purely because of Phorm) and have started looking around at ADSL providers.
I've been very happily getting around 3.9Mbs (on a 4Mb connection) so I should get slightly better speeds from ADSL (SamKnows Mapping reckons I would get around 5.5Mbs).

How much would Sky + BT charge me for just <8Mbs?
(I have no use for either a landline telephone service or TV.)

Plus I've exchanged countless emails with O2 to try to establish if they'd be likely to have a problem with my normal (100GB) monthly downloads and they couldn't tell me.
(Would you believe they expect me to dump cableBB, get a BT line installed and sign-up with them only to get jumped on for high usage a month later?)

So I'd also appreciate any real-life examples of high usage that Sky found excessive.

TIA

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by ceedee

@TBR -- perhaps you could offer me some advice?

I'm on the point of leaving VM (purely because of Phorm) and have started looking around at ADSL providers.
I've been very happily getting around 3.9Mbs (on a 4Mb connection) so I should get slightly better speeds from ADSL (SamKnows Mapping reckons I would get around 5.5Mbs).

How much would Sky + BT charge me for just <8Mbs?
(I have no use for either a landline telephone service or TV.)

Plus I've exchanged countless emails with O2 to try to establish if they'd be likely to have a problem with my normal (100GB) monthly downloads and they couldn't tell me.
(Would you believe they expect me to dump cableBB, get a BT line installed and sign-up with them only to get jumped on for high usage a month later?)

So I'd also appreciate any real-life examples of high usage that Sky found excessive.

TIA

While you are waiting for TBR. You cannot have Sky Broadband without a BT phone. ADSL needs a phone line to work.

And whose to say Sky won't implement Phorm on their systems ...

[webcrawler2050]

Eactly -- Mick can we close this - its getting stupid now!

[ceedee]

Originally Posted by Sirius

While you are waiting for TBR. You cannot have Sky Broadband without a BT phone. ADSL needs a phone line to work.

I appreciate that, Sirius.
I'm grumpy enough having to get a BT line installed, the last thing I want is BT or anyone else offering me an unwanted "phone service", ie. calls.

Basically I was highlighting that I am not interested in a multi-service bundle.

Originally Posted by Mick

And whose to say Sky won't implement Phorm on their systems ...

Apparently they are looking in to implementing it or something similar. Shame because Theblueraja is going to leave them if they do. Judging by the following quote anyway.

Originally Posted by The blueraja

I am very interested in this companies actions as i would like to see it crash and burn, its a blatant breach of privacy and akin to building up a personal profile of somebody's interests, hobbies, wealth and habits.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by ahardie

Apparently they are looking in to implementing it or something similar. Shame because Theblueraja is going to leave them if they do. Judging by the following quote anyway.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34...-post1240.html

[MovedGoalPosts]

I'm beginning to wonder if there is any merit in this thread remaining open.

I don't care how active I have been in this thread now I will not tolerate personal remarks or insults aimed in my direction. And you say I cannot debate properly - Least I don't lower myself to insulting people. The offending posts have been deleted.

This thread is going to close now following on from Rob's post above. I am the only team member around so I am going to act, anyone who has a problem. Hardlines.