20 Meg to 50 Meg upgrade. - Page 5

dilli-theclaw · 25-02-2008, 11:47

Ah so you're changing what you're saying

Fair enough.

Sirpingalot · 25-02-2008, 11:56

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Originally Posted by Jefferson T

Ah so you're changing what you're saying

Fair enough.

The CF members that have complained cover the majority of the country (possibly all of the country?). If you assume that these members have an ideal setup (we've already established that if one person with an ideal setup is experiencing problems then MOST people are within that network) then that means most of the country is experiencing speed issues.

DocDutch · 25-02-2008, 11:59

so Sirping, assuming you have the "ideal setup" what do you assume that should be?

dilli-theclaw · 25-02-2008, 12:00

But you can't assume that most of these members have an ideal set up - reading these forums can tell you that!

And we didn't establish anything - you assumed that because you THINK it is then it is FACT.

You can't say that most of the country are having speed problems without PROOF.

Assumptions are not proof.

Sirpingalot · 25-02-2008, 12:02

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Originally Posted by Jefferson T

Ah so you're changing what you're saying

Fair enough.

I would consider that to be an agreement.

dilli-theclaw · 25-02-2008, 12:03

An agreement that you have changed the argument to fit, indeed it was.

Sirpingalot · 25-02-2008, 12:07

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Originally Posted by Jefferson T

And we didn't establish anything - you assumed that because you THINK it is then it is FACT.

Assumptions are not proof.

It seems rather obvious if you consider that if bandwidth is shared equally (relative to what tier you're on) then if one person with this ideal setup is having speed problems then most others within the network (UBR) are. And we can only THINK because we aren't given the facts. Forums are the breeding grounds for thinking!

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Originally Posted by Jefferson T

An agreement that you have changed the argument to fit, indeed it was.

Well, you didn't debate the point..

dilli-theclaw · 25-02-2008, 12:11

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Originally Posted by Sirpingalot

It seems rather obvious if you consider that if bandwidth is shared equally (relative to what tier you're on) then if one person with this ideal setup is having speed problems then most others within the network (UBR) are.

You keep changing what you're saying to fit.

I never said there wasn't prioblems, just that just because one person is having problems doesn't mean that evertyone in that area is.

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Originally Posted by Sirpingalot

Well, you didn't debate the point..

I don't need to - you added to the point thus rendering the original point wrong (on your part) as you are changing it to fit what you are trying to say.

Sirpingalot · 25-02-2008, 12:19

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Originally Posted by Jefferson T

You keep changing what you're saying to fit.

Develop a point to come to a conlusion..

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Originally Posted by Jefferson T

I never said there wasn't prioblems, just that just because one person is having problems doesn't mean that evertyone in that area is.

And I've moved on from saying that EVERYONE is, but you can assume that certainly MOST people are..

dilli-theclaw · 25-02-2008, 12:21

All I'm saying is that your original point is wrong.

I've not seen anything since to back up what you're saying. Although yout point in post 67 is the closest to what i'd agree with.

I'm not saying anything more than that.

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Originally Posted by Sirpingalot

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And I've moved on from saying that EVERYONE is, but you can assume that certainly MOST people are..

No you can't - you still haven't given any proof of this. Just assumptions. I'd be happy to agree with you when you provide proof of what you are saying.

DocDutch · 25-02-2008, 12:22

sirpingalot, okay so you are saying that every single customer of VM has problems with their internet connection, or at least that is what you are saying based on the say roughly 10k members that CF has which are posting issues with BB? 10k out of 3million or more is what 0.3%? thats not alot I would say.

have a look at say a ADSL customer and check how many are paying for 8meg and are getting something like 2mb?

you can argue this from all sides and what you said bout IDEAL SETUP there isnt 1. I can get a full 20meg connection with a win98se computer as with a MAC on 10.4.11 or Vista, XP, linux you name it.

then I can do the same at another location where my father in law lives who has a 2meg connection and again would have same results.

so your reasoning behind all this is a bit FLAWED

Sirpingalot · 25-02-2008, 12:31

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Originally Posted by Jefferson T

All I'm saying is that your original point is wrong.

I've not seen anything since to back up what you're saying. Although yout point in post 67 is the closest to what i'd agree with.

I'm not saying anything more than that.

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No you can't - you still haven't given any proof of this. Just assumptions. I'd be happy to agree with you when you provide proof of what you are saying.

That proof is what I mentioned earlier about bandwidth being shared equally. And sure, the STM comes into this somewhere but the foundation for that point still lies.

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Originally Posted by DocDutch

sirpingalot, okay so you are saying that every single customer of VM has problems with their internet connection, or at least that is what you are saying based on the say roughly 10k members that CF has which are posting issues with BB? 10k out of 3million or more is what 0.3%? thats not alot I would say.

have a look at say a ADSL customer and check how many are paying for 8meg and are getting something like 2mb?

you can argue this from all sides and what you said bout IDEAL SETUP there isnt 1. I can get a full 20meg connection with a win98se computer as with a MAC on 10.4.11 or Vista, XP, linux you name it.

then I can do the same at another location where my father in law lives who has a 2meg connection and again would have same results.

so your reasoning behind all this is a bit FLAWED

I suggest you go back and re-read what I said.

dilli-theclaw · 25-02-2008, 12:32

Well dude I think you and I are just going to have to disagree on this one.

Welshchris · 25-02-2008, 13:51

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Originally Posted by Jonnymeg

I have had cable broadband since the month it came out and have ALWAYS had the service i pay for. I can ALWAYS max out my 20mb connection so i am looking forward to the 50mb option.
IMHO there are too many people who mistake the shortcomings of websites and download severs for a failing on the part of the ISP.
When ever i download binaries from usenet i get 2.4-2.6MB/s so i know my connection is fine.

i have to disagree, its not always the website or download server to blame.my problems have been with their UBRs themselves and they have been over subscribed for months and as a result my connection has been non existant at times.

Nemeth · 25-02-2008, 14:14

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Originally Posted by Jefferson T

It may be all the same network but not everyone is connected to it in the same way.

For starters it may be a pc problem that's causing a speed problem.

It may be an installation problem.

It may be an old router.

There are any number of this that could cause speed problems, not just one.

So if my cable connection is poor purely as a result of oversubscription, is it not safe to assume everyone in my area, ie. everyone connected through the same line card in the same UBR is suffering the same poor performance?