20 Meg to 50 Meg upgrade.

[AmAtoL]

Personally I don't give a monkeys what the up/down rate is, I just want a fast stable connection, as in pings, no loss etc....

I'm hoping the new DOCSIS 3 can give me that, at least until it's saturated/hacked or whatever.

[Bonglet]

My upload has always been fine too darth but the ubr's couldnt handle the upgrade and the increase in upstream (200% on tw network) led to all the congestion problems that people had/are having, vm had the technology in place and hit the switch but didnt realise that people use there upstream a lot more than what they thought and many new vm users jumping on the torrent bandwagon still keeping upload speed maxed out crippiling the network.
Vm applied a quick fix bandaid through stm to keep the pressure off the ubr's but in many places untill they get more ubr's upgraded problems will remain.

Lets just hope vm decides to splash the cash this coming april with the new tax year and spend less on advertising and more on providing the great service we used to have.

The upgrade to docsis 3 is a good thing pity it just the 50mb users that are getting it ;(.

[jcuk]

Would like to see at LEAST 2Mb upload speed, it would be quite nice, and id think should be quite possible with DOCSIS 3. Doesnt it have capability of 150Mb upstream and 250 downstream or something?

I think most people taking 50meg will be high torrent sharers and downloaders of multiple files. Its rare your gonna be able to download a file around 6000kb/s on the 50meg connection, but 6 HD movies at 1000kb/s each sounds very nice.

Or 3 HD movies, some more downloads + game updates + online gaming. + other xbox users. More and more homes are getting more internet enabled devices, Wifi phones and so on, so faster broadband isnt for just fast downloads, its for multitasking on the internet connection.

Big upload speeds are definately going to be needed in the future too, Youtube / Picture posters / Bloggers and some services in the u.s are advertising ability to host your own website and email servers with guides on how to do it from residential providers! I like how they have embraced this, reckon VM should do the same since they have the capability above ADSL.

Originally Posted by Bonglet

My upload has always been fine too darth but the ubr's couldnt handle the upgrade and the increase in upstream (200% on tw network) led to all the congestion problems that people had/are having, vm had the technology in place and hit the switch but didnt realise that people use there upstream a lot more than what they thought and many new vm users jumping on the torrent bandwagon still keeping upload speed maxed out crippiling the network.
Vm applied a quick fix bandaid through stm to keep the pressure off the ubr's but in many places untill they get more ubr's upgraded problems will remain.

Lets just hope vm decides to splash the cash this coming april with the new tax year and spend less on advertising and more on providing the great service we used to have.

The upgrade to docsis 3 is a good thing pity it just the 50mb users that are getting it ;(.

50 and 20mb will use docsis 3.0

[|Kippa|]

There are lots of reasons why people would want a faster upload rate. For example those who want to host a gaming server on their pc, or those who like to broadcast a radio station from their pc. And yes there are some torrents that are legit!

[kristoficus]

You 20meggers are still getting better value than the 10meggers so quit complaining :P

XL = £1.85 per mbit
L = £2.50 per mbit (£6.25 per mbit on 4mbit)

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Welshchris

I was told by a staff member at their head office that the 50mb connection will NOT be an upgrade, its gonna be a new connection that you have to upgrade to and they are thinking of charging around £50 for it a month BUT! its not a definate price yet.

That's not what we have been told. We have been told (by Virgin themselves) that it will be an extra tier.

[kev445]

I personally doubt Virgin Media will increase the upload speed by a huge amount due to the current Docsis 3 approved specification. The current spec only increases the download speed and NOT the upload; the total available upload capacity will still be the same and the current implementation.

The final spec will however allow for the upload channels to be bonded the same as the download, until then no hardware manufacturers are making hardware capable of bonding the upstream.

Hopefully it will just be a case of a software upgrade!

[TehTech]

Originally Posted by kev445

I personally doubt Virgin Media will increase the upload speed by a huge amount due to the current Docsis 3 approved specification. The current spec only increases the download speed and NOT the upload; the total available upload capacity will still be the same and the current implementation.

The final spec will however allow for the upload channels to be bonded the same as the download, until then no hardware manufacturers are making hardware capable of bonding the upstream.

Hopefully it will just be a case of a software upgrade!

This is total rubbish!!

Have you bothered to read the DOCSIS 3 specification sheet??
I can tell you now that upload AND download on DOCSIS 3 can do a HELLA lot more than what VM will supply, and lets face it, the up/down ratios are pretty rubbish to say the least!

Take into account the overheads, and 50Mb down with a 1.5Mb upload will be damn near crippled, it will need AT LEAST a 5Mb upload speed to be able to cope properly!

And also, DOCSIS 3 allows for CHANNEL BONDING, try searching for this too as it is very informative!

[Welshchris]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

That's not what we have been told. We have been told (by Virgin themselves) that it will be an extra tier.

isnt that was i said????????

[popper]

Quote:
Originally Posted by kev445
I personally doubt Virgin Media will increase the upload speed by a huge amount due to the current Docsis 3 approved specification. The current spec only increases the download speed and NOT the upload; the total available upload capacity will still be the same and the current implementation.

The final spec will however allow for the upload channels to be bonded the same as the download, until then no hardware manufacturers are making hardware capable of bonding the upstream.

Hopefully it will just be a case of a software upgrade!

Originally Posted by TehTech

This is total rubbish!!

Have you bothered to read the DOCSIS 3 specification sheet??
I can tell you now that upload AND download on DOCSIS 3 can do a HELLA lot more than what VM will supply, and lets face it, the up/down ratios are pretty rubbish to say the least!

Take into account the overheads, and 50Mb down with a 1.5Mb upload will be damn near crippled, it will need AT LEAST a 5Mb upload speed to be able to cope properly!

And also, DOCSIS 3 allows for CHANNEL BONDING, try searching for this too as it is very informative!

what i think he means is the current Pre-DOCSIS3 kit, he is confusing the pre kit as full official spec, ITS NOT.

"bronze" bonds 4 of the downstream and adds Multicasting,ipv6 etc
and currently uses one upstream, but we are talking a usable 40Mbit/s per stream (for the slower non Euro version)for both the download and the UPLOAD, so its not all bad for now,not that VM will give the user anywere near that usable bandwidth ,justas you dont get to use anywere near the current 1.1 10Mbit+ upload rate.

"silver" adds the matching 4 upstreams,Qos Multicasting, and extra security etc

as far as i know, all the kit VM are trialing are based on the TI Puma 5, a cable modem chipset based on Docsis 3.0, and it appears that isnt designed to do more than the minimum 4 down/4 up channel bonding

but it is designed to have 2 chipsets on the same board, so some form of 8 channel bonding can be made to work in the future IF they/VM see fit to supply/buy in such a dual fitted board (EUE,End User Equipment) CPE (Customer Premeses Equipment) for longer term investment, expansion and savings.

if you really want to see some interesting facts as found so far by me, take a look at the thread
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...xt-page-8.html

iv put several current (at the time of posting)bits of public info regarding the spec,hardware and so on.

remember though some of that is for the generic US DOCSIS3 not the faster EuroDocsis3 spec that VM will use i assume.

109,113,114 sollp,118toto, and 119 are all relevent when taken together to meet the spec and the reshuffle of the spectrum.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Welshchris

isnt that was i said????????

Yes. I was backing you up.

[TehTech]

Originally Posted by popper

what i think he means is the current Pre-DOCSIS3 kit, he is confusing the pre kit as full official spec, ITS NOT.

"bronze" bonds 4 of the downstream and adds Multicasting,ipv6 etc
and currently uses one upstream, but we are talking a usable 40Mbit/s per stream (for the slower non Euro version)for both the download and the UPLOAD, so its not all bad for now,not that VM will give the user anywere near that usable bandwidth ,justas you dont get to use anywere near the current 1.1 10Mbit+ upload rate.

"silver" adds the matching 4 upstreams,Qos Multicasting, and extra security etc

as far as i know, all the kit VM are trialing are based on the TI Puma 5, a cable modem chipset based on Docsis 3.0, and it appears that isnt designed to do more than the minimum 4 down/4 up channel bonding

but it is designed to have 2 chipsets on the same board, so some form of 8 channel bonding can be made to work in the future IF they/VM see fit to supply/buy in such a dual fitted board (EUE,End User Equipment) CPE (Customer Premeses Equipment) for longer term investment, expansion and savings.

if you really want to see some interesting facts as found so far by me, take a look at the thread
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...xt-page-8.html

iv put several current (at the time of posting)bits of public info regarding the spec,hardware and so on.

remember though some of that is for the generic US DOCSIS3 not the faster EuroDocsis3 spec that VM will use i assume.

109,113,114 sollp,118toto, and 119 are all relevent when taken together to meet the spec and the reshuffle of the spectrum.

Sounds more like it!

You know, there is a very small part of my brain that thinks once everything is stable (IF ever they do) with the new 50Mb, that they may think about increasing the upload speeds on the 50 & 20Mb tiers, (aparently there is a whisper that the 20Mb tier will be moved to DOCSIS 3, but dont quote me on that)

But then again, wishfull thinking on my part i guess!

[PowerUser]

Originally Posted by TehTech

How many sites can actually give you the FULL 50Mb speeds??

So unless you'r using torrents to download or upload, it'd be pretty useless!

You've not used premium News providers then ?. you would get full 100Mb using this service. torrent are very bad way of judging speed. As your relying on other peoples upload speed limits.

Anyway, What good is 50Mb if you can only download for 10-15mins between 4pm and 9 pm

[ceedee]

Originally Posted by PowerUser

Anyway, What good is 50Mb if you can only download for 10-15mins between 4pm and 9 pm

You might not be able to use the full 50Mb download speed for long between 4pm and 9pm (5 hrs), but you'll probably have already downloaded plenty in the 19 hrs before/after STM operates (for most people).

In fact I'd imagine that someone on a 50Mb connection would rarely find a need to download much in peak usage hours.

Obviously, ymmv in which case I'd recommend you regrade down to 2Mb...