Muslim Refuses To Sell Bible Story Book At M&S
16-01-2008, 11:21
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Re: Muslim Refuses To Sell Bible Story Book At M&S
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Originally Posted by Gavin
Could I declare the the customer is unclean and refuse to serve them?
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If they were, then yes of course.
There's no law that says shops have to actually sell the items they stock.
Some Jews don't have two sinks or two sets of dinnerware, while others do.
Does this mean that those without two sets of dinnerware are not Jewish?
It's one of the things about religion being personal, you can adapt it to fit you.
Don't want to forgive people? Fine, ignore those bits and claim they aren't as important as the bits you've chosen to follow because they fit your lifestyle.
Don't want to give blood? No problem, re-interpret part of your religious text to show that you're right in not giving blood.
Want to have 5 wives when your god said men should only have 4? Well just invent a special case for yourself and enjoy the honeymoon.
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Originally Posted by Salu
Irritatingly, I think that if the story was reversed ie a Christian refusing to touch a copy of the Koran, there would have been a much greater fuss made....highlighting the unspoken bias....
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Christians refuse to sell things all the time, just there's no news in it unless it's to do with Jerry Springer.
Pornography, violent video games, cigarettes, alcohol, Terry Pratchett and other fantasy books like Harry Potter, all things that over the years I've read christians have refused to sell.
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16-01-2008, 11:36
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Re: Muslim Refuses To Sell Bible Story Book At M&S
People here seem very quick to judge the Muslim woman.. Let me turn it around.
If a Muslim woman went into a store, went up to a Christian sales assistant, tried to buy a book telling stories based on The Koran and the assistant refused, would you feel the same way?
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Could I declare the the customer is unclean and refuse to serve them?
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The law, as I understand it allows you to refuse to serve anyone as long as it's not because of their race or gender.
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16-01-2008, 11:57
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Re: Muslim Refuses To Sell Bible At M&s
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Firstly if it was in The Star then I'm not sure how heavily edited that story was. They're not known for being all that truthful.
Secondly if it IS true then shame on the Muslim woman. Would she have sought employment in a butcher's shop? I doubt it.
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how true !!
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16-01-2008, 12:07
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Re: Muslim Refuses To Sell Bible Story Book At M&S
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People here seem very quick to judge the Muslim woman.. Let me turn it around.
If a Muslim woman went into a store, went up to a Christian sales assistant, tried to buy a book telling stories based on The Koran and the assistant refused, would you feel the same way?
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Yes. Its not because she's Muslim despite some people's attempts to twist it that way. Its because she's not doing her job. When a woman went into an pharmacy and Catholic person (pharmacist/shop assistant - I can't remember) wouldn't serve her the morning after pill, I reacted in exactly the same way. This has happened.
Some people criticised the customer for being offended, but I were being treated like a leaper for doing something that i'm perfectly legally entitled to, then I would be offended too.
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16-01-2008, 12:09
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Re: Muslim Refuses To Sell Bible Story Book At M&S
Yes Stuart my stance would be the same whatever the combination if you work in a shop you know you have to sell things to people thats your job. What are we seriously saying that if a product in the shop offends you don't sell it how bloody stupid is that it's your job.
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16-01-2008, 12:52
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Re: Muslim Refuses To Sell Bible Story Book At M&S
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... When a woman went into an pharmacy and Catholic person (pharmacist/shop assistant - I can't remember) wouldn't serve her the morning after pill, I reacted in exactly the same way. This has happened.....
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In that particular case the pharmacist was adhering to professional guidelines, so it seems a bit unfair to blame the person. If you want to blame someone, point the finger at the people who agreed the guidelines in the first place.
In the OP case, do we know if the local manager had previously approved such a refusal? That could put a different slant on the whole story.
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16-01-2008, 12:58
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Re: Muslim Refuses To Sell Bible Story Book At M&S
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Originally Posted by TheNorm
In that particular case the pharmacist was adhering to professional guidelines, so it seems a bit unfair to blame the person. If you want to blame someone, point the finger at the people who agreed the guidelines in the first place.
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Well I never heard about the professional guidelines bit last time, but if so then yes, they're to blame as well. The woman that went to get the pill probably had enough guilt to deal with without the dealing with being without having to deal the religious bigotry of the pharmacist or sales assistant.
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In the OP case, do we know if the local manager had previously approved such a refusal? That could put a different slant on the whole story.
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Not really. Its more-or-less the same case as above.
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16-01-2008, 13:03
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Re: Muslim Refuses To Sell Bible Story Book At M&S
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Not really. Its more-or-less the same case as above.
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Hang on, you're now suggesting store managers shouldn't be allowed to manage their stores
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16-01-2008, 13:06
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Re: Muslim Refuses To Sell Bible Story Book At M&S
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Well I never heard about the professional guidelines bit last time, ....
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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...l#post34202126 
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16-01-2008, 13:28
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Re: Muslim Refuses To Sell Bible Story Book At M&S
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Cheers for that 
Its really sad though. Its a far cry from the sign outside (doctor and theologian) Albert Schweitzer's jungle hospital though:
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Hang on, you're now suggesting store managers shouldn't be allowed to manage their stores
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No, I am saying people shouldn't be bigoted. Bit of a difference. Religion isn't an excuse, no matter which one it is.
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16-01-2008, 13:39
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Re: Muslim Refuses To Sell Bible Story Book At M&S
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No, I am saying people shouldn't be bigoted. Bit of a difference. Religion isn't an excuse, no matter which one it is.
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Bigotted? How would a manager saying it's ok for members of staff to not sell certain items on moral grounds be bigotted?
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16-01-2008, 13:39
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Re: Muslim Refuses To Sell Bible Story Book At M&S
Why is there all this discussion?
The incident was religious discrimination and is illegal.
She should be sacked.
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16-01-2008, 13:41
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Re: Muslim Refuses To Sell Bible Story Book At M&S
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Why is there all this discussion?
The incident was religious discrimination and is illegal.
She should be sacked.
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How was it discrimination?
She didn't refuse to sell the item because it was being bought by a christian.
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16-01-2008, 14:28
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Re: Muslim Refuses To Sell Bible Story Book At M&S
She discriminated against another persons religion by calling the book 'unclean'
That is exactly the same as calling the person the person buying it 'unclean' because of their religion.
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16-01-2008, 15:06
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Re: Muslim Refuses To Sell Bible Story Book At M&S
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l am not a racist…
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So you keep saying.
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