smoking and the pub

[Osem]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

So in order for you to have the convinience you wanted a large group of people had to have their rights removed well when you put it like that it was all worth it.

Nope not at all - it wasn't my decision and I didn't draught the law. TBH I'd have been happy had a couple of local places been entirely smoke free and we'd had a choice where to go but that wasn't the option we were offered by the companies who run them or indeed HMG. However if you want to talk about majorities there are in fact more non smokers than smokers in the UK so whose rights should prevail??

Anyway to put the question on convenience back to you, presumably you don't mind smokers blowing their noxious fumes over other people and not only inconveniencing them but potentially damaging their health.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Smoking will be banned in Wetherspoon pubs in London and other cities by this May 2005

Perhaps they left it up to the landlords in the end?

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and you attached that to post about an already smoke free pub that had enjoyed huge profits up until Sunday due to it's unique status in the town, that pub no longer offers a unique service, so will quite possibly end up losing out due to the ban

Aha I think there is a missing 'A' from your post i.e. "to a post about" rather than "to post about"

Since there were no fully non smoking pubs here there can be no before and after comparison but since it went FULLY non smoking on Sunday our local it's been just as busy so far as we can tell. The regulars are still there they just smoke outside.

As for any already fully non smoking pubs losing out well they could well lose some non smoking customers who have more choice now but if they're offering a good service etc. they'll also probably attract some smokers who would previously not have frequented them simply because they wouldn't have been allowed to smoke. Only time will tell what happens.

Osem you have noxious fumes spewn over you everyday be it from veichles or drains or ventilation systems. Fact is inequality of any kind is wrong and we should all do our best for a balance but solving one inequality while creating another is frankly pathetic. Also personally it wouldn't bother me if smoking was banned altogether i mean smokers would be laughing because they would save enough money to pay for the tax increases that would come from it how would you like an extra 8p on income tax or equivilant on other taxes. Hey i have an idea as we are being all H&S about this lets ban smoking and put all the money lost in taxation on alcohol. After all alcohol costs the country more and also does far more damage so it is only reasonable.

[Osem]

Agree totally but none of that alters my view on smoking. Although the long term health aspects of some other fumes may be just as dangerous the fact is that when I'm eating my dinner at home my eyes don't run and my clothes and hair don't stink of car fumes or anything else. Until Sunday if I chose to eat or just have a drink out they reeked of stale smoke.

Oh and for the record companie's had nothing to do with it it was HMG who at election time said they were looking into implementing a voluntary solution that no smoker objected to then when reelected they introduced the draconian total ban so no public consultation whatsoever. As i keep stating this was a removal of rights from a very large group of people and having got away with it this time it will happen again maybe next time they will hit some of the people on here where it will hurt them.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Osem

Sorry where did I write any of that ???

I wrote " Well it's very early days yet but there's no sign of a drop in trade in our new smoke free local. Time will tell though."

Which meant that since it went FULLY non smoking since Sunday it's been just as busy so far as we can tell.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy
True Rizzy, I was listening to a publican on the radio crowing about his profits doubling since his premises went no smoking a few years back, he sounded a bit flummoxed when the presenter said they would probably go down now as all the other local pubs would be offering the same service

You replied

Originally Posted by Osem
Well it's very early days yet but there's no sign of a drop in trade in our new smoke free local. Time will tell though.

Which is all well and good but the situations totally different, the previous no smoking pub is bound to suffer a fall in profits as he no longer offers a unique service to his community, something which wouldn't affect your local pubs trade as non of your local pubs offered such a service and therein lie's the problem imo, there could and perhaps should have been a compromise

[Osem]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Originally Posted by TheDaddy
True Rizzy, I was listening to a publican on the radio crowing about his profits doubling since his premises went no smoking a few years back, he sounded a bit flummoxed when the presenter said they would probably go down now as all the other local pubs would be offering the same service

You replied

Originally Posted by Osem
Well it's very early days yet but there's no sign of a drop in trade in our new smoke free local. Time will tell though.

Which is all well and good but the situations totally different, the previous no smoking pub is bound to suffer a fall in profits as he no longer offers a unique service to his community, something which wouldn't affect your local pubs trade as non of your local pubs offered such a service and therein lie's the problem imo, there could and perhaps should have been a compromise

It's all explained above - our posts have been crossing and a missing 'A' was responsible for part of my confusion and the subsequent "Sorry where did I write any of that" post which I deleted as soon as I realised what you'd intended to write.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Oh and for the record companie's had nothing to do with it it was HMG who at election time said they were looking into implementing a voluntary solution that no smoker objected to then when reelected they introduced the draconian total ban so no public consultation whatsoever. As i keep stating this was a removal of rights from a very large group of people and having got away with it this time it will happen again maybe next time they will hit some of the people on here where it will hurt them.

Yes I realise that of course. My point about the companies who run pubs/restuarants was that they could have made a purely voluntary commercial decison to have some smoke free establishments in this area (and anywhere else) at any time but the vast majority didn't. Had more of them done so, I think a great many non smokers like me would've been happy with that situation and not necessarily supported a total ban (if indeed we'd been asked about it in the first place which of course we were not).

[TheDaddy]

Interesting, time will tell as you say Osem

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/4263263.stm

I guess it isn't working then......

MPs have been accused of flouting the smoking ban - and even sneaking cigarettes in the Commons toilets.
Although it is not illegal to smoke in the Palace of Westminster, both Houses decided to ban it from Sunday - the same time as the rest of England.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6273830.stm

[Mal]

Cig Mountain

[Hom3r]

The smoking ban is the best thing that has happend

On the 30th I was sitting in the clubhouse on camp, and could bearly see the stage through the smoke or breathe, I came out smelling like an ashtray, and had to wash my clothes.

On the 1st I could see the stage and breathe, and go home with out smelling like an ashtray.

[smiffing]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

The smoking ban is the best thing that has happend

On the 30th I was sitting in the clubhouse on camp, and could bearly see the stage through the smoke or breathe, I came out smelling like an ashtray, and had to wash my clothes.

On the 1st I could see the stage and breathe, and go home with out smelling like an ashtray.

Now imagine that "the clubhouse on camp" had opted for no smoking, then another clubhouse opened with smoking allowed........that's freedom of choice!

[Halcyon]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

The smoking ban is the best thing that has happend

On the 30th I was sitting in the clubhouse on camp, and could bearly see the stage through the smoke or breathe, I came out smelling like an ashtray, and had to wash my clothes.

On the 1st I could see the stage and breathe, and go home with out smelling like an ashtray.

I have to agree.
I used to go out clubbing or to a few bars and would come home stinking of smoke.
My clothes would have to go straight into the wash and I would have to have a shower to get rid of the smoke smell.

Now it is a lot less stuffy in these venues and I can now go to places and not come out stinking of smoke.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

The smoking ban is the best thing that has happend

On the 30th I was sitting in the clubhouse on camp, and could bearly see the stage through the smoke or breathe, I came out smelling like an ashtray, and had to wash my clothes.

On the 1st I could see the stage and breathe, and go home with out smelling like an ashtray.

The 30th wasn't a typial day. A lot of smokers where out for a last chance to have a fag.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by yesman

I guess it isn't working then......

Not on the 'day of defiance' at any rate

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...3/nsmoke03.xml

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by smiffing

Now imagine that "the clubhouse on camp" had opted for no smoking, then another clubhouse opened with smoking allowed........that's freedom of choice!

Not for the kids of the people that want to smoke or the staff on the complex that would probably be forced to work in both clubhouses!