17-11-2004, 18:55
|
#31
|
|
Inactive
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: London
Posts: 2,974
|
Re: home brew
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by gary_580
correct rammy, its illegal to distill spirit in this country
<Snip>
|
Indeed, HMCE will take an extremely dim view of it. However, (and I await with interest any further details), I'm not sure what is the legal position on freezing your home-brew. If you freeze it, more or less pure ice will separate out and the alcohol content will increase; I don't really know how high you can get the alcohol content and, as I said, I really don't know whether or not it is legal. A downside is that, as well as increasing the alcohol content, you will also increase the concentration of everything else. If you start with a sweetish brew, you'll end up with something sickly sweet. If there is some initial acidity, you'll end up with something that will dissolve your teeth as you drink it.
|
|
|
17-11-2004, 18:58
|
#32
|
|
Guest
|
Re: home brew
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Theodoric
I'm not sure what is the legal position on freezing your home-brew. If you freeze it, more or less pure ice will separate out and the alcohol content will increase; I don't really know how high you can get the alcohol content and, as I said, I really don't know whether or not it is legal.
|
I have a bottle of vodka in the freezer right now and that just goes a little thicker than normal. On that basis I'd guess if you put wine or beer in you wont seperate much out
|
|
|
|
17-11-2004, 19:03
|
#33
|
|
Guest
|
Re: home brew
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Dave Stones
well, i've just bought "CONDESSA ANISEED MIST HIGH ALCOHOL" and "SIX BOTTLE WINE OR LIQUEUR BEGINNERS PACK" from www.art-of-brewing.co.uk . We will see how it goes, no doubt my flatmates will kill me if it smells... 
|
by the looks of that, the best you will get is something about the strength of Port which will easily do you in on half a bottle. It does say "It is possible" to brew to 21% but doesnt say you will get that and i thought yeast died in alcohol of a lower strength than that
|
|
|
|
17-11-2004, 19:05
|
#34
|
|
Inactive
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: London
Posts: 2,974
|
Re: home brew
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by gary_580
I have a bottle of vodka in the freezer right now and that just goes a little thicker than normal. On that basis I'd guess if you put wine or beer in you wont seperate much out
|
Off hand, I can't recall (translation: I never really knew and I can't be bothered to try and find out  ) what the water-ethanol phase diagram looks like but, at 40 v/v% ethanol, it may well be that the alcohol separates first from vodka. But, for beer or a wine, the water will definitely separate out first.
|
|
|
17-11-2004, 19:14
|
#35
|
|
Guest
|
Re: home brew
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Theodoric
Off hand, I can't recall (translation: I never really knew and I can't be bothered to try and find out  ) what the water-ethanol phase diagram looks like but, at 40 v/v% ethanol, it may well be that the alcohol separates first from vodka. But, for beer or a wine, the water will definitely separate out first.
|
absolutely will but i dont think you get much above 20%
|
|
|
|
17-11-2004, 19:15
|
#36
|
|
Guest
|
Re: home brew
Can you get methanol from a home wine producing kit?
|
|
|
|
17-11-2004, 19:26
|
#37
|
|
Inactive
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: London
Posts: 2,974
|
Re: home brew
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by gary_580
absolutely will but i dont think you get much above 20%
|
Well, 20% is about par for fortified wines such as sherry or port, so I suppose it's not to be sneezed at.
|
|
|
17-11-2004, 19:30
|
#38
|
|
Inactive
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: London
Posts: 2,974
|
Re: home brew
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Diamond
Can you get methanol from a home wine producing kit?
|
Off hand, I don't know, but I suspect, yes. The point is that methanol has a lower boiling point than ethanol, which has a lower boiling point than water, which means that when you distill the mash, you're going to get methanol and ethanol off in higher concentrations first. IIRC, you also get higher alchols (fusil oils?) which, I believe, are an important cause of bad hangovers.
|
|
|
17-11-2004, 19:41
|
#39
|
|
Permanently Banned
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: norton , teesside
Age: 58
Posts: 10,571
|
Re: home brew
|
|
|
17-11-2004, 19:51
|
#40
|
|
Guest
|
Re: home brew
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Theodoric
Off hand, I don't know, but I suspect, yes. The point is that methanol has a lower boiling point than ethanol, which has a lower boiling point than water, which means that when you distill the mash, you're going to get methanol and ethanol off in higher concentrations first. IIRC, you also get higher alchols (fusil oils?) which, I believe, are an important cause of bad hangovers.
|
some info in this link, Theo
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...5727.Ch.r.html
and a quote from another one
The source of methanol in fermented fruit juices is the methyl side chain
attachments on the pectin polymers. If you can get your fruit juiced
without getting to much soluble pectins in the extrudate, or better still if
you can knock out the pectin degrading enzymes which will break down
those chains and liberate some of the methyl groups then you will minimise
on the methanol content of the brew. The business of heating/pastuerising
the juice, to kill off wild yeasts etc. also knocks out all those rogue
enzymes as well. Happy brewing! Ken C.
quite interesting
<edit> just read paulyoung666's post - OMG
|
|
|
|
17-11-2004, 20:14
|
#41
|
|
Guest
|
Re: home brew
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by paulyoung666
|
Very good advice there
|
|
|
|
17-11-2004, 20:15
|
#42
|
|
Guest
|
Re: home brew
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Theodoric
Well, 20% is about par for fortified wines such as sherry or port, so I suppose it's not to be sneezed at.
|
Dont know about sherry but port is made as wine and then brandy spririt is added when its barrelled
|
|
|
|
17-11-2004, 20:45
|
#43
|
|
Inactive
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: London
Posts: 2,974
|
Re: home brew
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by gary_580
Dont know about sherry but port is made as wine and then brandy spririt is added when its barrelled
|
It was just the alcohol content I was comparing, not the methods. But, yes, they add brandy to port as well and, IIRC, madeira (that's the one that they heat in the attic first).
|
|
|
17-11-2004, 20:52
|
#44
|
|
Guest
|
Re: home brew
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Theodoric
It was just the alcohol content I was comparing, not the methods. But, yes, they add brandy to port as well and, IIRC, madeira (that's the one that they heat in the attic first).
|
heat in the attic? on Bopdudes still?
|
|
|
|
17-11-2004, 21:10
|
#45
|
|
Guest
|
Re: home brew
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by gary_580
heat in the attic? on Bopdudes still? 
|
- this is one of the reasons I love this forum, how else would I have been prompted by Theodoric's post to find the following quote, and learn something in the process..
Quote:
A wine to store... in the attic!
Luck gave those early winegrowers a much-needed hand, as the wind and the climate hadn't allowed their grapes to get sweet enough for a high-quality wine. Upon returning from a long sea voyage, sailors with a bit of wine left at the bottom of the barrels discovered to their surprise that it was much better than when they had first set sail. The heat of the hold had helped it to mature properly. Thus was born Madeira, a wine that improves with age, that is matured, not in a cool cellar, but a warm attic (estufa) at a temperature of 110 to 120° F, and whose bottles are kept, not lying done, but standing up.
|
- taken from
here
Madeira looks like a lovely place to visit, too
|
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT. The time now is 09:48.
|