how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING

[Downloads]

I'm sure Zingle will agree with me here...

It's better to have 20meg from 11pm till 4pm the next day and then traffic shaped still with a decent speed from 4pm till 11pm than it is to have 4-5meg on ADSL with traffic shaping and caps 24/7. Use a download manager if you have to go to work?

My work colleague can't access the PS network because they don't traffic shape it, they block it completely. The ISP knows this and wants him to provide an IP so they can look into it.

I thank my lucky stars every day i can get VM.

[Merlin99uk]

Hi Zing,

No, I don't run any portals, game servers (not a gamer!) or other similar things, I use a bit of P2P now and then to catch up on any TV series I might have missed, (maybe once a week), or a newsgroup late nights.

My average monthly download is around 20GB, in fact just checked, I've downloaded 58.7GB from newsgroups since Feb.(4 months).. hardly enough to be called a leecher now is it?

Speed, well it seems to have stabilised again, running at 3.3Mb/s, wonder how it will be this evening.

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Oh and if you mean a certain website, well no that's not mine, just a very unlucky coincidence that the site name is similar to mine!

[Zee]

I'm happy with the shaping.

I don't download 3GB or more between 4-12 and if others are going to mess up my connection being selfish, bring on the shaping!

[Rik]

I hate to say it tho, but I dont understand what people aim to acheive by all this uproar and complaining?

When was the last time you heard of a ADSL provider caving in to pressure from their customers about the shaping they have implemented and abandoning it?

Its just not gonna happen, as I have said before if people dont like it, they have two choices.

1. Move to another provider.
2. Upgrade to a higher tier.

Serious question now for the people that are anti shaping, do you guys think if you moan and complain hard enough that VM are just gonna drop it and let you carry on as you have been?

No I didnt think so.

[bliss]

Quick question.... Do people actually think that they'll max out 20mbit on a html browse/download? Maybe Microsoft, nvidia etc but 99% of the WWW won't be able to give you those speeds, and probably torrents etc won't be able too either.

There is a term in the PC hardware world known as E-Penis (people who use the fastest hardware for the sake if it being the fastest). 20mb is just an I-Penis.

Traffic shaping for me is

[Ignatius]

I've no great issue with shaping - so long as I get a stable connection.

One question i have is this.

If I remember right, The hours are 4pm-12pm. If you download more than your limit, they halve your download rate for 4 hours

does that rate drop get lifted at 12:01am? - or is it 4 whole hours? - anyone know?

Is the limit only counted within peak time, or do you get an instant reduction at 4pm if you've already exceeded your limit?

Maybe this is all documented somewhere, but i've not seen it made clear.

[helmutcheese]

Originally Posted by Paul

Why don't we start a campaign asking bandwidth abusers to use their connections responsibly instead?

You really are a joke, do you work for PR Dept of VM (NTL) ?

So your one of the users who is happy to get shafted, hope you pay cash for a Mondeo some day and when you arrive to pick it up later you get a Fiesta for your cash LOL.

[supercyber]

Originally Posted by BlackAle

Your suggestion is ridiculous, why should those who don't download download download have to suffer with a 5Mbit connection just to appease those who suffer from downloading OCD.

I love my 10Mbit connection and look forward to getting 20Mbit, it'll allow me to download the same content in upto half the time, fabulous!

downloading OCD? wtf is that lol

umm well its simple get it threw UR d***p head lol, VM can support the 20Mbits speeds!!!!!!!!!, i am not aying we should never get 20Mbit conneciion, but make sure the ****ing netowrk can handle the traffic!!!!!!!!.

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Originally Posted by Rik

I hate to say it tho, but I dont understand what people aim to acheive by all this uproar and complaining?

When was the last time you heard of a ADSL provider caving in to pressure from their customers about the shaping they have implemented and abandoning it?

Its just not gonna happen, as I have said before if people dont like it, they have two choices.

1. Move to another provider.
2. Upgrade to a higher tier.

Serious question now for the people that are anti shaping, do you guys think if you moan and complain hard enough that VM are just gonna drop it and let you carry on as you have been?

No I didnt think so.

not all can move since thier on a 12 months contact and have to payh to disconnect.!!!!!!!

[an1hony]

I hate stepping into these big arguments, but guys, it's common sense to shape the network.

Virgin Media's broadband connections are shared, as are every other providers. Thats the way it is, and always has been, accept this. It therefore, is fair, and makes sense to impose restrictions if somebody's usage is going to affect everyone else on the same line. Dont get me wrong, I hate limits of any kind. But there's no escaping this one, thats how the network has been designed, and thats how everybodys network is setup - unless of course you want to pay for your own dedicate line with its own bandwidth.

[supercyber]

Originally Posted by an1hony

I hate stepping into these big arguments, but guys, it's common sense to shape the network.

Virgin Media's broadband connections are shared, as are every other providers. Thats the way it is, and always has been, accept this. It therefore, is fair, and makes sense to impose restrictions if somebody's usage is going to affect everyone else on the same line. Dont get me wrong, I hate limits of any kind. But there's no escaping this one, thats how the network has been designed, and thats how everybodys network is setup - unless of course you want to pay for your own dedicate line with its own bandwidth.

yo, ur more than welcome to join lol, but at least ur putting ur reasos

not all ISPs, do it, i know 4 a fact that BE ISP, thier BE Pro serivce which £40 with 24Mbits upload and 2.4Mbits upload is Unlimited and uncapped.

same as ADSL24, but thier unlimited service is £66 ponds a month

i ordered the BE isp to my home today, i know is goona be good coz i seen it in action, so i might be saying bye bye to virgin, or i mabe keep the two. need one for businees line.

[m044bz00]

I think it's quite funny how we all have such strong but differing views on the subject.

It's plain and simple for me that the current network cannot cope with 20mbps, there is currently very little online where you could use the full 20mbps.

They are upgrading us, even though they can't handle it and I personally don't want 20mbps because I can't make use of it but then they're going to reduce my speed because they can't cope with the speed i don't want and won't use !!

[alferret]

There is only so much "Legal" content a user can download but there is so much more "Illegal" content out there.

Doesnt it seem to others and not just ME that those that bitch, whinge and cry about being shapped are the ones who are more likely to download illegal content, stolen software, copyrighted films and TV shows that they shouldnt have on their PC's in the first place. Its those who are abusing the service and then crying about being shapped that are screwing it up for those of us who try to use the system fairly.

Those that are harping on about shaping that probrably end up down at the local boot sale selling films 3 for a tenner.

VM are trying to be fair to everyone, just seems that some people are to THICK to take this information in.

[dev]

Originally Posted by helmutcheese

You really are a joke, do you work for PR Dept of VM (NTL) ?

So your one of the users who is happy to get shafted, hope you pay cash for a Mondeo some day and when you arrive to pick it up later you get a Fiesta for your cash LOL.

please show me where you pay for a 2/4/10(20)mb dedicated line off virgin?

when you buy that mondeo, you buy it all for you, you internet connection isnt only for you

Originally Posted by alferret

There is only so much "Legal" content a user can download but there is so much more "Illegal" content out there.

Doesnt it seem to others and not just ME that those that bitch, whinge and cry about being shapped are the ones who are more likely to download illegal content, stolen software, copyrighted films and TV shows that they should have on their PC's in the first place. Its those who are abusing the service that VM supplies that are screwing it up for those of us who try to use the system fairly.

Those that are crying are those that probrably end up down at the local boot sale selling films 3 for a tenner.

VM are trying to be fair to everyone, just seems that some people are to THICK to take this information in.

Go use joost...and see how quickly your bandwith goes, then enjoy the service not working because you have just been capped in half.

There is plenty of legal movies, HD content and music which a user can download so how about YOU stop being so thick as to what a user does online?

If someone is paying top price for a top tier which is supposed to be unlimited, then they can and SHOULD use it's to it's potential, that's what the connection is there for, so you can use it.

Im glad you enjoy being capped WHEN people are actually home and using their net.

funny only time it's uncapped is when normal none lazy people are at work.

Not everyone like's to leave their pc's on at night just to download something and nor should they have to.

they pay for a 24/7 service and they should bloody well get it.

[alferret]

Originally Posted by TraxData

Go use joost...and see how quickly your bandwith goes, then enjoy the service not working because you have just been capped in half.

There is plenty of legal movies, HD content and music which a user can download so how about YOU stop being so thick as to what a user does online?

If someone is paying top price for a top tier which is supposed to be unlimited, then they can and SHOULD use it's to it's potential, that's what the connection is there for, so you can use it.

Im glad you enjoy being capped WHEN people are actually home and using their net.

funny only time it's uncapped is when normal none lazy people are at work.

Not everyone like's to leave their pc's on at night just to download something and nor should they have to.

they pay for a 24/7 service and they should bloody well get it.

I wouldnt know what its like to use the PC during the day mate, im out signing on and working on the side taking money from you, you hard working taxpayer you LOLOLOLOLOL



And I pay for a service too and why should my service be compromised because some leech down the road wants to download 24\7?


Oh and its not a "CAP" your sevice doesnt just stop, you get limited, but I guess you dont get the difference