how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING

[supercyber]

what do think guys, should we give it to them. come on we all came to Cabel coz its ment to be a no nonsense service compared to ADSL. now it seems VM is going with the shaping tricks for overselling thire service.

from what i read 2mbit connection will have 350MBytes limit - my god that just 45min tv ep u all know what i mean.

4Mbit - 750MBytes limit, well thats just two tv eps (again u all kno waht i mean )

i feel worse for the 20Mbit ppl, 3GB limit lol, can out done in less than 15 mins or so.

now wait adsl seems much better choice.

any ideas on how to shout at them?

explain please how adsl seems a better choice.

Its 2 tv episodes at peak you can download hundreds before and can continue to download more at a lower speed while watching the 2 you already downloaded

I will be (soon I hope) on 20 meg and I aint bothered about the cap as ive said loads because I understand the need. I wish those who keep moaing about the shaping would actually try and understand why its needed

Traffic shaping = best possible chance for all to get a good stable connection

no traffic shaping = contention issues for loads of us which in turn = poor speeds and lag at peak time whic to me = worse than being shapied

[m044bz00]

I'm sure they think they've been very clever by giving with one hand (20Mbs) to catch the headlines and then sneakily taking away with the other hand (Throttling) because they recognise their networks are not capable of the service they offer.

I would say the one advantage is that now as Virgin Media there is a clear figurehead such as Richard Branson that any campaign could target. But it needs to be something different to capture the imagination of the press and to get Sir Richard truly cringing to be associated with the campaign mounted bu his very own customers.

An easy, although not inventive start is a carefully thought out and worded online petition.

[supercyber]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

explain please how adsl seems a better choice.

Its 2 tv episodes at peak you can download hundreds before and can continue to download more at a lower speed while watching the 2 you already downloaded

I will be (soon I hope) on 20 meg and I aint bothered about the cap as ive said loads because I understand the need. I wish those who keep moaing about the cap would actually try and understand why its needed

Traffic shaping = best possible chance for all to get a good stable connection

no traffic shaping = contention issues for loads of us which in turn = poor speeds and lag at peak time whic to me = worse than being shapied

well here we have a supporter lol, well sorry but this toppic is for ppl who doesnt like shaping, so if u like shaping u can live withit, dont expect other to do so ? with respect

[slimz]

true... theres plenty of time outside the "on peak" hours to do your downloading.
traffic Shaping is 100% better then a capped service in my opinion.

Originally Posted by supercyber

well here we have a supporter lol, well sorry but this toppic is for ppl who doesnt like shaping, so if u like shaping u can live withit, dont expect other to do so ? with respect

with respect I seriously think you have no idea of why the need for shaping exists. I would rather the 20 or so billion quid was spent 10 years ago implementing a full fibre optic network nationwide but they didnt. 21st century Networks might well be the answer to our prayers but this will not be completed until 2012. Something is needed to take the strain why not come up with a better solution if you can

[supercyber]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

with respect I seriously think you have no idea of why the need for shaping exists. I would rather the 20 or so billion quid was spent 10 years ago implementing a full fibre optic network nationwide but they didnt. 21st century Networks might well be the answer to our prayers but this will not be completed until 2012. Something is needed to take the strain why not come up with a better solution if you can

simple VM does not have to offer upserd speeds like 20Mb service if they cant handel. the simple solution, like offer 5Mbit service, but keep it unmetered, unlimted. i am sure more ppl go for 5Mbit unmetered serivce over 20Mbit f ed up service.

come on guys it not rocket science, if ur networks cant handle, simple dont offer it.

[m044bz00]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

Something is needed to take the strain why not come up with a better solution if you can

How about this for radical - VM sell a service which they know their network is capable of!

Are you saying it makes sense for VM to keep increasing the speed when they know their network is not capable of the speed customers are paying for, so much so that they then have to sneakily grab some of that back through the backdoor

I don't like the feeling of being taken for a mug by anyone.

Are you a leech are you gonna regualrly download 3 gig in the 4 hours ? if so what you download? I am a leech and being put out a little on peak times isnt gonna change that I get plenty out of my connection if you catch my drift so im happy enough a chappie not to keep complaining

[Paul K]

Why don't we start a campaign asking bandwidth abusers to use their connections responsibly instead?

[supercyber]

here is somethink some posted on the shaping section;

quote:

a good comparison (you may not think so) but on a certain section of the M25 there were always snarl-ups/accidents/traffic concertining from 70/80mph down to 20/30mph then moving off again for no apparent reason (this bit,i know doesnt make much sense!) but the solution did.they made it a strict 50mph speed limit,no-one was allowed to switch lanes and a lot of the aforementioned problems were solved.

end quote.


this back up what said above. like my mum use to say, dont run before u can walk. VM needs to get this into thier heads. but i think vm is trying to sprint as well with 50Mbit service, hope they stop at the trial stage.

Originally Posted by Paul

Why don't we start a campaign asking bandwidth abusers to use their connections responsibly instead?

I will simply download my nzbs and import them into newsbin off peak and just game and browse and stream the odd stuff on peak which is no different to what I do now

[m044bz00]

Originally Posted by Paul

Why don't we start a campaign asking bandwidth abusers to use their connections responsibly instead?

So i'm a bandwidth abuser eh, I work from home mostly doing video editing and constantly download and upload to the works server via their upload 2Mbps connection meaning I'm downloading from them at around 240Kbps, at that speed which is a FIFTH of the speed I'm paying for I'll still break their limits within 3.5 hours.

Having said that, they'll then throttle my bandwidth to 5mbps (I think) which will then enable me to continue AT THE VERY SAME SPEED which caused me to be a 'bandwidth abuser' as you called me.

So all this decision has done is to pee me off, which isn't hard at the moment because i'm now heading into my 3rd week of getting a service of less than 1Mbps, more time on the phone today being told there is no problem and being asked to do stupid tests

[welwynrose]

Originally Posted by m044bz00

So i'm a bandwidth abuser eh, I work from home mostly doing video editing and constantly download and upload to the works server via their upload 2Mbps connection meaning I'm downloading from them at around 240Kbps, at that speed which is a FIFTH of the speed I'm paying for I'll still break their limits within 3.5 hours.

Having said that, they'll then throttle my bandwidth to 5mbps (I think) which will then enable me to continue AT THE VERY SAME SPEED which caused me to be a 'bandwidth abuser' as you called me.

So all this decision has done is to pee me off, which isn't hard at the moment because i'm now heading into my 3rd week of getting a service of less than 1Mbps, more time on the phone today being told there is no problem and being asked to do stupid tests

why don't you get your work to provide you with the right tools to do the job then - here we have a 2mb leased line & our typist who works from home has been provided with a 1mb leased line which means she has no problems sending or receiving stuff

[Efour]

I will no doubt, continue with the sub par capped shaped service that ihas been the 10mbit on the POPLAR UBRs for the last 3 months. . Of Course it will be Re badged as 20Mbit and ill be paying an extra few quid for it.

My contract is up in June and thats getting closer everyday. I dislike having an internet connection i cannot use in the evenings cos of over subscription