Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Not untrue though is it?

Yes, it IS untrue. It's the classic case of taking one part of the bible out of context, adding a touch of ridicule and telling everyone it's right - typical armchair expert tactics.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by peanutkp

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That'd explain why I've still got bits left over...

[Pierre]

1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2. And the earth was a void and emptiness, and thick darkness was upon the faces of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the faces of the waters.

3. And God said, Let there be light, and there was light

So the universe was created in the dark, and after he'd created the universe he then thought, "Let's turn the light on and have a look at what I've done".

It was a bit a bit cocky of him wasn't it, what if he'd made a complete dogs breakfast of it. Mind you I suppose he is god, after all.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Yes, it IS untrue. It's the classic case of taking one part of the bible out of context, adding a touch of ridicule and telling everyone it's right - typical armchair expert tactics.

Really? Don't see any reference to the bible, did you?
Are you certain there are no religious people who believe that humans alone have a soul which is why they can enter heaven?
Ever seen animals lie, libel, slander, devise pogroms, murder for recreation and peform crossword puzzles?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Really? Don't see any reference to the bible, did you?

You're right of course. But where do you think he gets his information from?

He says 'Religious people'. He'd be more accurate if he'd said "some" before that. But still, why let something as insignificant as the facts get in the way of a good....here it comes.....*agenda*

His 'meditation' relates to an idea shared by a minority.

Plus it takes more than just 'being a human' to be entitled to gain admittance to heaven. But you knew that anyway.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

So the universe was created in the dark, and after he'd created the universe he then thought, "Let's turn the light on and have a look at what I've done".

It was a bit a bit cocky of him wasn't it, what if he'd made a complete dogs breakfast of it. Mind you I suppose he is god, after all.

Yes, and of course isn't subject to the same physical restraints as us, who obviously need light.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ B

You're right of course. But where do you think he gets his information from?

He says 'Religious people'. He'd be more accurate if he'd said "some" before that. But still, why let something as insignificant as the facts get in the way of a good....here it comes.....*agenda*

His 'meditation' relates to an idea shared by a minority.

In the UK maybe, but he came to this universe and plonked himself down in the US, and you know the majority over there believe the devil has red horns, a cape, pitchfork and pointy tail...

Plus it takes more than just 'being a human' to be entitled to gain admittance to heaven. But you knew that anyway.

No, but I knew that it is believed by some, like yourself, and it is believed by others that just being good is enough, the list of entrances into heaven that I know people believe goes on and on.

Now, Noah's neandethal kids, how did they come about?

Originally Posted by Xaccers

The bible says science is wrong, not "may be wrong" not "could be right" but wrong wrong wrong.
Science on the other hand says the bible may be right, god may exist, evolution may be wrong, improbable but still not discounted totally.
This is why most religious people in science alter their religious beliefs to fit with science rather than do what ID proponants do, which is alter the science to fit with their religous belief

The Bible doesn't say science as a discipline is wrong - it is however at odds with some of the things this generation of scientists have concluded about the universe.

As for the Meditations of Thorax - he's right, the human soul is corrupt. He is wrong to suggest that this corrupt soul is the basis for entrance to heaven. The cleansing of the soul by the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ on the Cross is the basis for entrance to heaven.

After all our discussions, I thought you knew that.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

In the UK maybe, but he came to this universe and plonked himself down in the US, and you know the majority over there believe the devil has red horns, a cape, pitchfork and pointy tail...

OK well in the interests of fairness, could you add to your sig that it's a view shared mostly by those across the pond? Perhaps by placing the word 'American' at the start?

Originally Posted by Xaccers

No, but I knew that it is believed by some, like yourself, and it is believed by others that just being good is enough, the list of entrances into heaven that I know people believe goes on and on.

So we're agreed that just by 'being human' is not the sole requirement?

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Now, Noah's neandethal kids, how did they come about?

Unfortunately I don't have a dateline of the flood so I'd have a bit of trouble working that one out. But I'm sure they would have been before Noah.

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Originally Posted by Chris T

After all our discussions, I thought you knew that.

Yes but never let something as insignificant as the facts...etc etc

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Chris T

As for the Meditations of Thorax - he's right, the human soul is corrupt. He is wrong to suggest that this corrupt soul is the basis for entrance to heaven. The cleansing of the soul by the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ on the Cross is the basis for entrance to heaven.

After all our discussions, I thought you knew that.

It all seems a little contrived for an omnipotent being. Didn't he have anything better to do, or is this his idea of a laugh?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Chris T

The Bible doesn't say science as a discipline is wrong - it is however at odds with some of the things this generation of scientists have concluded about the universe.

As for the Meditations of Thorax - he's right, the human soul is corrupt. He is wrong to suggest that this corrupt soul is the basis for entrance to heaven. The cleansing of the soul by the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ on the Cross is the basis for entrance to heaven.

After all our discussions, I thought you knew that.

He doesn't actually say that you must lie, libel, slander etc in order to enter heaven though.

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Originally Posted by Russ B

OK well in the interests of fairness, could you add to your sig that it's a view shared mostly by those across the pond? Perhaps by placing the word 'American' at the start?

You'd have to talk to Thorax about that.

Originally Posted by Russ B

So we're agreed that just by 'being human' is not the sole requirement?

Not at all.

Originally Posted by Russ B

Unfortunately I don't have a dateline of the flood so I'd have a bit of trouble working that one out. But I'm sure they would have been before Noah.

Ok, Adam's neandethal decendants, how'd that happen then in your belief system of humans not evolving but animals evolving?

There is a simple answer for ya . Anything unexplainable by religion was planted by Satan to make us think he does not exist after all that was his greatest feat

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

You'd have to talk to Thorax about that.

Got his number?

But I'd have thought that in the interests of fairness and objectivity (and to demonstrate that you don't have.....*cue sinister music*...an agenda) you'd make that amendment to reflect the true status quo?

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Not at all.

It sure looks that way!

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Ok, Adam's neandethal decendants, how'd that happen then in your belief system of humans not evolving but animals evolving?

No idea - I'm not a scientist

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Got his number?

But I'd have thought that in the interests of fairness and objectivity (and to demonstrate that you don't have an.....*cue sinister music*...agenda) you'd make that amendment to reflect the true status quo?

Yes, and in the interest of fairness and objectivity, it would be wrong of me to misquote someone, wouldn't you agree?
He can be contacted at 9 Chickweed Lane, C/O Brooke McEldowney.

Originally Posted by Russ B

It sure looks that way!

I thought I made it clear I am aware of many beliefs on how to enter heaven, for most of them "just being human" is indeed the only entrance requirements.

Originally Posted by Russ B

No idea - I'm not a scientist

You have to be a scientist to understand your own beliefs?

Originally Posted by Xaccers

He doesn't actually say that you must lie, libel, slander etc in order to enter heaven though.

No, but he seems to think that the fact that people do those things 'clarifies' the entrance requirements. I'm not sure what else he means by that, seeing as he doesn't appear to be considering Jesus at the same time.

Are we way off topic yet?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Yes, and in the interest of fairness and objectivity, it would be wrong of me to misquote someone, wouldn't you agree?
He can be contacted at 9 Chickweed Lane, C/O Brooke McEldowney.

Yes it would. But you could point out where he's not quite got it right?

Originally Posted by Xaccers

I thought I made it clear I am aware of many beliefs on how to enter heaven, for most of them "just being human" is indeed the only entrance requirements.

Biblical heaven? I don't know of any beliefs which states that just by being human is the entry requirement.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

You have to be a scientist to understand your own beliefs?

No - I don't have a view on it, I've never considered it.