might give Linux OS 2007 a go - Page 5

01-03-2007, 18:57

link me to some that dont work for you then please dont talk to me like that

The Jackal · 01-03-2007, 19:15

again

Come on Zing if you don't know what your talking about then don't get upset and have a go at us.

Wikipedia blu-ray, hd dvd for a start, take a look at the basics of h.264 and move up from there.

The content I got is not available on the web but you know where to get it from

For the equivalent test just try playing a blu-ray disk and letting us know if you can get to 1080(i/p) and what you cpu utilization is like.

01-03-2007, 19:25

buy me a blu ray rom first and I will. I admit I dont really know the subject but I have downloaded 1080p and played it full screen at 1680 : 1050 in quicktime does that not count?

The Jackal · 01-03-2007, 19:34

Nah not quite you'll know when you get a blu-ray

Even my old Athlon plays these clips fine.

blu-ray/hd-dvd is looking like a con to me - I'm thinking whether we need it or not.

This is a good thread : http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=1680

01-03-2007, 19:39

so what hd clips wont your pc now play?

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ok downloaded a rar file from a h.264 encoded movie . Played in it power dvd 7 full screen with clev 2 off (whatever that is Pdvd said I should) and it played fine using 29% cpu

The Jackal · 01-03-2007, 19:43

what bit rate is your file playing at in power DVD ? me suspects its not over 10mbs then ask yourself what bitrate a standard DVD plays at ?

01-03-2007, 19:47

tell me how to find out lol

it is using atis avivo hardware rendering

Alien · 01-03-2007, 20:09

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

tell me how to find out lol

I haven't used PDVD in ages, but IIRC, it's on the r/c menu you get during playback. Might be something like "Info" - it makes it put up the frame rate/bit rate, etc in the top right of the screen. Having said that, the last 1 I tried was PDVD5, so it may be entirely different by now.

dev · 01-03-2007, 20:31

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

You should be able to buy pcs / laptops with nothing on in the mainstream. My laptop come bare. First thing I would do with a preinstalled pc with back up is wipe it and do it my way anyway

i wasnt aware the average joe could install windows, so yes lets not do that for them, that'll help

its quite obvious you dont like linux but less obvious why. to me it seems you dont agree with learning how to use it, were you born with the ability to use windows? to ride a bike? to set a vcr up etc? Just because there are no fancy buttons to click and it uses text files for configuration doesnt make it infinitely hard to learn. config options have names for a reason, to tell you what they are for and all config files have either comments giving detailed paragraphs of each option or a help page that does the same thing, something windows doesn't in lots of areas

Xaccers · 02-03-2007, 09:25

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Originally Posted by CrC-3rr0r

LOTS Gave up faffing around with windows today as it just couldnt play HD clips correctly or smoothly so I thought I'd try it in linux...

I was more than impressed I got upto 1080 on my supposedly lesser speced linux machine.

Ok, as a web server or firewall, that basically sits in the corner and isn't touched, it's fine.
But how many home users need that?
Tell me, got legit licences to watch those DVD's?

Last time I installed linux (about 9 months ago) I couldn't watch DVD's without installing a load of other stuff, and even then it was poor quality.

c1rcle · 02-03-2007, 10:13

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Ok, as a web server or firewall, that basically sits in the corner and isn't touched, it's fine.
But how many home users need that?
Tell me, got legit licences to watch those DVD's?

Last time I installed linux (about 9 months ago) I couldn't watch DVD's without installing a load of other stuff, and even then it was poor quality.

Why would anyone need to have a license (permission) to watch something they own?

02-03-2007, 10:42

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Originally Posted by dev

i wasnt aware the average joe could install windows, so yes lets not do that for them, that'll help

its quite obvious you dont like linux but less obvious why. to me it seems you dont agree with learning how to use it, were you born with the ability to use windows? to ride a bike? to set a vcr up etc? Just because there are no fancy buttons to click and it uses text files for configuration doesnt make it infinitely hard to learn. config options have names for a reason, to tell you what they are for and all config files have either comments giving detailed paragraphs of each option or a help page that does the same thing, something windows doesn't in lots of areas

course any old Joe can install windows its all wizard run as any old Joe should be able to install Linux however its what happens next thats the problem.
I spent a lot of time learning what I know and im no No0b however if linux worked out the box with easy to install drivers and run everything I need for day to day computing without having to compile everything then I woudl consider learning other aspects of the system.
Why should I have to read paragraphs of text to install a driver? or a piece of software? no thank you. If linux is ever going to become mainstream it will need to more user friendly if it does not then it wont

one thing I have noticed is when I express my views on Linux I get talked down to by the Linux fanboys something to be honest im not prepared to tolerate

Xaccers · 02-03-2007, 10:52

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Originally Posted by c1rcle

Why would anyone need to have a license (permission) to watch something they own?

Because a license to decrypt the DVD is not included in the price of the DVD.
The DVD player under your TV, PowerDVD and WinDVD etc on your XP box, have all paid for the ability to decrypt DVD's so they can be watched legally.
Linux being free can't pay for these licenses, so you either have to buy a linux dvd player which covers their cost of the license, or do it illegally using software which has cracked the code.

dilli-theclaw · 02-03-2007, 11:14

I downloaded this a couple of days ago to see if it was any good... Unfortunately the accesability is still just as poor as it has always been

I did get further with Ubuntu and Orca - but it's very unreliable.

The trouble is, of course, as so few people use it it's not worth supporting (Orca that is).

I am trying to learn linux for other reasons, but until I can get a fully accesable version I guess I won't be.

Xaccers · 02-03-2007, 11:20

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Originally Posted by Jefferson T

I downloaded this a couple of days ago to see if it was any good... Unfortunately the accesability is still just as poor as it has always been

I did get further with Ubuntu and Orca - but it's very unreliable.

The trouble is, of course, as so few people use it it's not worth supporting (Orca that is).

I am trying to learn linux for other reasons, but until I can get a fully accesable version I guess I won't be.

I got on better with Suze, better than Red Hat or Ubuntu.
Secure wireless was fun, whenever I tried to use WEP etc it from linux it would kill the router! Lovely.
So had to run unsecured with a MAC access list on the router, wasn't what I wanted.

Got fed up having to cut and paste reems of code to get things to work with no one actually explaining anything, and of course not knowing if within that code someone had put anything malicious, or just made a mistake which would screw everything up, or just not work.
Posts after posts in forums of similar hardware problems I was experiencing, with either no feedback, or "Got it sorted" and no explaination.

Wanted to use the 64bit version as I've got an AMD 64, but ran into the same problems as Win64, lack of 64bit drivers.