Muslims to march in London

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by danielf

I thought SLM made a valid point<snip> It sounds like someone is trying to find an excuse to have a moan since he can't moan about nothing being done. Pot - Kettle - Black. Quite rightly. (Must type faster)

If thats the case then I stand corrected....sorry SLM

[jtwn]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

It seems that one of the marchers is up for inciting racial hatred..........

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How can somebody be so vocal about it at one time, then deny it another? Obviously feels strong enough about their religion that justice to them comes before it.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by danielf

I thought SLM made a valid point. You resurrected this thread by posting about someone being in the dock for statements made during the marches. I'd been wondering why it hadn't come up. Some people on here are very quick to talk of 'pandering to muslims' etc, and them getting away with just about everything. When something to the contrary happens (someone is in the dock for statements that caused a bit of an outcry on here), all that some people can come up with is 'I'm sick and tired of their ranting and self-centeredness'. It sounds like someone is trying to find an excuse to have a moan since he can't moan about nothing being done. Pot - Kettle - Black. Quite rightly. (Must type faster)

In my case I would of added the story to this thread if I had seen it.

His hateful comments to encourage attacks on the west adds more weight to people like me who comment on the so-called religion of peace.

[Escapee]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6235279.stm

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Originally Posted by Escapee

In my case I would of added the story to this thread if I had seen it.

His hateful comments to encourage attacks on the west adds more weight to people like me who comment on the so-called religion of peace.

Or to put it another way, so-called followers of the religion of peace.

[SMG]

Originally Posted by danielf

Some people on here are very quick to talk of 'pandering to muslims' etc, and them getting away with just about everything. When something to the contrary happens (someone is in the dock for statements that caused a bit of an outcry on here), all that some people can come up with is 'I'm sick and tired of their ranting and self-centeredness'. It sounds like someone is trying to find an excuse to have a moan since he can't moan about nothing being done. Pot - Kettle - Black. Quite rightly. (Must type faster)

First, I dont moan & groan about everything. Only the kind of rubbish I see on the news & most of it is how badly Muslims are treated. I do find it quite annoying that with most newscasts we see "Muslims" chanting about "Their rights". Like it or not, it is all about them. They are a minority religion in this christian country, they are a minority group also. It should follow that this "minority" percentage would be reflected in the media, but it isnt. This small percentage appears to have a lot to say, & none of it is for the benefit of the country, only themselfs. I dont see many news reports of Muslims doing anything constructive for this country. I do hear about how some of these people want to change our laws for the laws they left behind, how they want more control over our councils, its not for our benefit. I dont see any muslim groups or leaders on TV calling for Muslims to denounce terrorism, just the usual crap about our troops in Iraq.

Now we hear that a group of these *****rs planned to execute a British soldier. I don't need an excuse to moan about these worms, I`m ex Army, my family is Army, we have all been to Iraq serving our country more than once. You lot have the right to voice your opinions because of people like me, my lads, & some of you, who, together with thousands of other soldiers fought for that right. No wonder the BNP are gaining popularity. Watching the way this country is going, sometimes, I wonder if it was worth it.

[DABhand]

And what your saying that every middle eastern country is sympathetic to terrorists who are going to kill a soldier?


That is an extremist view. And a very one sided one at that.


People from Pakistan, India, Iran, Saudi, Israel, Jordan, etc are all different religions and beliefs.

Just because some chose to march in protest about something else does NOT mean they are all sympathetic to that march or have the same beliefs.

Hatred among races has gone way back, and do remember it was the English who were the slavers, who where taking blacks to America, who were taking over other minority countries. So who is the agressor you may ask. Looking into your country's history will reveal that.

Also, im fed up with how people moan about how they are coming over to steal our jobs and how refugees are taking our dole money.

1. People who come over and work, arent stealing jobs, they are qualified to do them and are prepared to work hard, or work hard on their own business. While Joe Bloggs who is moaning rather sit on their arses all day drinking dole money and causing havoc.

2. Refugees can NOT work for a set amount of years, its law, so they have to sign on. Thats true. And yet the populace are ignorant on this fact and wouldnt find out about it, they rather cry foul and blame them. When the fact of the matter is almost all refugees want to work, but they simply are not allowed to.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by DABhand

Just because some chose to march in protest about something else does NOT mean they are all sympathetic to that march or have the same beliefs.

OK...so why be part of a protest if they're not sympathetic to it? And while it's true they might not all have the same extremist beliefs, surely it would be an excellent gesture if they distanced themselves from such extremism?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Russ B

OK...so why be part of a protest if they're not sympathetic to it? And while it's true they might not all have the same extremist beliefs, surely it would be an excellent gesture if they distanced themselves from such extremism?

Russ, I think you may have misunderstood what he was saying, just because some muslims protested doesn't mean all muslims are sympathetic to it.
Similarly, if some christianesque group marched calling for all non-christians to be booted out of the country, by being a christian yourself wouldn't mean you are sympathetic to them.

[SMG]

I'm not saying all Muslims are a pain in the ****, just the minority radicals. Immigrants & asylum seekers are constantly in the news, a few days ago 4 asylum seekers were jailed for murder, one got 30 years. Its not as if its a one off either. Whatever the Brits did years ago, we've paid for it since, & we are all living a good lifestyle off the back of it.

Dabhand, what nationality are you, obvious not British, otherwise you wouldn't use the words "Looking into your country's history will reveal that".

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by SMG

Dabhand, what nationality are you, obvious not British, otherwise you wouldn't use the words "Looking into your country's history will reveal that".

Irrespective of what nationality Dabhand might be it's a perfectly legitimate phrase for a British person to use when talking about Britain. It shows an open approach to nationality as opposed to the much more secular "our".

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Russ B

OK...so why be part of a protest if they're not sympathetic to it? And while it's true they might not all have the same extremist beliefs, surely it would be an excellent gesture if they distanced themselves from such extremism?

Or held a counter march, I seem to remember Catholic mother's marching against the atrocities of the IRA in Ireland.

I am sure that Muslims will say that it's not their responsibility to speak out, fine then, don't expect people to think any different then especially when reports are published saying that a quarter of Muslims are sympathetic to terrorists

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...l23.xml&page=1

[SMG]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Irrespective of what nationality Dabhand might be it's a perfectly legitimate phrase for a British person to use when talking about Britain. It shows an open approach to nationality as opposed to the much more secular "our".

Well, I`m surprised to hear you say that. Last time, (& the 4 times before) I was posted to NI, loyalists would call Britain "our" country with a certain amount of determination & pride. In fact, they would fight you for saying different. Only the repo`s called it "your" country. I didn't know it had changed so much so I mentioned it this afternoon to my bro in Larne, as far as he knew, things hadn't changed.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by DABhand

And what your saying that every middle eastern country is sympathetic to terrorists who are going to kill a soldier?


That is an extremist view. And a very one sided one at that.

Well it's one side thats bombing us here so excuse me if we get a bit 'one sided' about it as well....remember 7/7, 9/11, Bali, Lisbon?

People from Pakistan, India, Iran, Saudi, Israel, Jordan, etc are all different religions and beliefs.

Just because some chose to march in protest about something else does NOT mean they are all sympathetic to that march or have the same beliefs.

Yeah, right....So why are they marching in the same demonstration?

Hatred among races has gone way back, and do remember it was the English who were the slavers, who where taking blacks to America, who were taking over other minority countries. So who is the agressor you may ask. Looking into your country's history will reveal that.

Who is the agressor?! Is anyone alive in the UK today responsible for the slave trade that occured in Africa 100+ years ago? How the hell are we the agressors in those terms?
btw.....there wouldn't have been any major slave trade if Africans and arabs weren't perfectly happy to capture and sell black Africans to white slavers......Africans and arabs were complicit in that slave trade. I suggest you remove those pc blinkers from your eyes m8....

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Similarly, if some christianesque group marched calling for all non-christians to be booted out of the country, by being a christian yourself wouldn't mean you are sympathetic to them.

But he would be if he marched in the same rally....

---------- Post added at 23:46 ---------- Previous post was at 23:44 ----------

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Irrespective of what nationality Dabhand might be it's a perfectly legitimate phrase for a British person to use when talking about Britain. It shows an open approach to nationality as opposed to the much more secular "our".

I disageree. 'Your' and 'our' are two different/opposing outlooks....imo....

[TheDaddy]

[quote=Ramrod;34224306]Who is the agressor?! Is anyone alive in the UK today responsible for the slave trade that occured in Africa 100+ years ago? How the hell are we the agressors in those terms?
btw.....there wouldn't have been any major slave trade if Africans and arabs weren't perfectly happy to capture and sell black Africans to white slavers......Africans and arabs were complicit in that slave trade. quote]

Is any Britain still alive that ended the trade in human flesh, seeing as we are casting stones into history lets remember it was Britain that ended slavery and slavery has never been legal in Britain, also if Britain hadn't had an Empire would those countries be better of, for a start they would almost certainly have been colonised by another European country, whose rule would have been considerably worse than that of our own, judging by their other colonies