30-12-2006, 10:02
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Re: SKY broadband 16mbit
From my house to my exchange is 1.5km in a straight line but i know from a friend at bt who works at the exchange that the full lenth of my line is over 4km
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12-01-2007, 00:15
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#47
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Re: SKY broadband 16mbit
I'm thinking of getting Sky BB.
My exchange is 1.13 kilometers away (as the crow flies). Is it worth getting Sky BB at this distance?
What kind of speeds can I expect? Over 8mbit?
DSL Zones BB Checker says my area is ADSL enabled up to 8 Mbps. Does that mean my exchange isn't ADSL2+ enabled and I can't get over 8mbit?
Thanks.
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12-01-2007, 01:15
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#48
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Re: SKY broadband 16mbit
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Originally Posted by Vegeta
I'm thinking of getting Sky BB.
My exchange is 1.13 kilometers away (as the crow flies). Is it worth getting Sky BB at this distance?
What kind of speeds can I expect? Over 8mbit?
DSL Zones BB Checker says my area is ADSL enabled up to 8 Mbps. Does that mean my exchange isn't ADSL2+ enabled and I can't get over 8mbit?
Thanks.
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There is no way anyone can estimate what speed you will get from the straight line distance.
We would need line attenuation before that and what exchange are you on?
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12-01-2007, 05:26
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Re: SKY broadband 16mbit
I'm on the Heaton Moor exchange.
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12-01-2007, 08:31
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Re: SKY broadband 16mbit
Heaton moor is enabled for Sky BB.
DSL zone does not report what speeds ADSL2+ will give only ADSLMax which is standard for ADSL1 now.
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12-01-2007, 23:07
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Re: SKY broadband 16mbit
even with attenuation estimates could be off, the ultimate factor is noise on the line.
1.13 km, ofcom claim the average real distance vs straight distance is 140% so on that you would expect to get a line about 1.6km which would give something over 8mbit, but I would expect a line probably between 2-2.5km based on what I have seen from other users. But I could be way off its possible to have it as low as just abit more then the straight line distance or it could be tripled or more.
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12-01-2007, 23:15
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Re: SKY broadband 16mbit
well im on skyBB had it almost a month now started off with a 15323 kbps connection only had 1 prob which was fixed by bt faulty downwire from the roof box to master socket.
im at 700m away from the exchange and my Line Attenuation 18.5 db
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12-01-2007, 23:25
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Re: SKY broadband 16mbit
Well, I guess 8mbit is fine too for £10 a month. So even if my local exchange had ADSL2+ DSL Zone wouldn't show it? Which site would show it?
Also, with the other Sky BB packages having a usage limit of 40GB and the MAX package having 'unlimited' use but with a 'fair usage policy' in place does anyone know what threshold Sky expect you to stay under every month on the MAX package? 100GB?
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13-01-2007, 09:13
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Re: SKY broadband 16mbit
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Originally Posted by Vegeta
Well, I guess 8mbit is fine too for £10 a month. So even if my local exchange had ADSL2+ DSL Zone wouldn't show it? Which site would show it?
Also, with the other Sky BB packages having a usage limit of 40GB and the MAX package having 'unlimited' use but with a 'fair usage policy' in place does anyone know what threshold Sky expect you to stay under every month on the MAX package? 100GB?
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DSL Zone will say if the exchange is unbundled and from what isp. Your exchange is unbundled by sky and therefore you can get up to 16mb. If it was not then you would only get up to 8mb for £17 i think it is
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iain_herts
well im on skyBB had it almost a month now started off with a 15323 kbps connection only had 1 prob which was fixed by bt faulty downwire from the roof box to master socket.
im at 700m away from the exchange and my Line Attenuation 18.5 db
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18.5 attn is about 1.4km line length. My attn is 18 and I sync at 19600 kbps which shows Sky do cap the service at 16mb
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13-01-2007, 19:58
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Re: SKY broadband 16mbit
Ah, I see so having a LLU'd exchange means its ADSL2+ enabled.
I'm going to get Sky BB as soon as I can.
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14-01-2007, 00:11
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Re: SKY broadband 16mbit
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Originally Posted by Be*
DSL Zone will say if the exchange is unbundled and from what isp. Your exchange is unbundled by sky and therefore you can get up to 16mb. If it was not then you would only get up to 8mb for £17 i think it is
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18.5 attn is about 1.4km line length. My attn is 18 and I sync at 19600 kbps which shows Sky do cap the service at 16mb
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18.5 can be easily applied to 700metres, dont over rely on atten for calculating distance if his copper is poor quality ie. thin gauge or even aluminium then the attenuation vs distance is much higher.
By your figures my 2.96km line should be abour 37-40 attenuation and is actually 49 attenuation.
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14-01-2007, 00:17
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Re: SKY broadband 16mbit
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
18.5 can be easily applied to 700metres, dont over rely on atten for calculating distance if his copper is poor quality ie. thin gauge or even aluminium then the attenuation vs distance is much higher.
By your figures my 2.96km line should be abour 37-40 attenuation and is actually 49 attenuation.
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Thats why I never said definitely. It was always estimated.
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16-01-2007, 00:19
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Re: SKY broadband 16mbit
Can you clear this up for me?
So I currently have Sky DTV, ntl telephone line, ntl 10mbit BB and ntl's Talk Unlimited. I used to have a BT line about 10 years ago, the socket is still there.
So do I just cancel the ntl BB and telephone line, ring up Sky to order their BB service and Sky Talk, call BT to have the line re-activated (no phone package) and thats it?
I want to do it right, thats all
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16-01-2007, 08:55
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Re: SKY broadband 16mbit
I think you need to order the BT Line first with a package and then move over to sky.
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23-01-2007, 11:31
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Re: SKY broadband 16mbit
I am tempted to move over to sky broadband due to cost savings, nothing against the ntl service as been great all the time i have had them, i should get fairly decent speeds i would have thought as samknows puts my exchange as : You are approximately 182 metres from the exchange (straight line distance).
its either that or wait for be* to enable the exchange which would be June
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