UsetServer slow Downloads

Originally Posted by anduin

Your blinkers to the real world really are annoying...

The reason people pay for newsgroup access is for the binaries, else they would use the free newsserver that ntl provide. Time for you to come out with other rubbish reasons like "ntl's retention isnt as good" etc etc.

and as for the ludicrous 'i have no proof that it hurts the network', you really need to rethink that...
Go look at contention, the cost of bandwidth, maximum throughputs of all the equipment on ntl;s network. Go look at the total amount of bandwidth at telehouse or telecity. The look at the amount of people taking bandwidth from it all. Then come back to me and tell me how people downloading masses of content does not affect other users.

I am not compelled to fight any corner apart from my own; any from where i am sitting it seems that greedy a***holes who just want to download everything available to them are ruining the service that i pay ntl for.

Since when have you been privy to the internals of NTL's network.

And just one other point while your in cloud cuckoo land. I pay for my service as well. I will ask you again what are you going to do with those that are downloading 24/7 from sky movies for instance which is legal. Come on you know NTL's network how much will that damage it.

I download for 3 hours a night after midnight are you honestly saying that affects you.

[RXP]

Originally Posted by anduin

Your blinkers to the real world really are annoying...

My 'blinkers', what because I exposed your non-sensical reasoning?

The reason people pay for newsgroup access is for the binaries, else they would use the free newsserver that ntl provide. Time for you to come out with other rubbish reasons like "ntl's retention isnt as good" etc etc.

Of course it is. And yes, retention is an issue. I pay for giganews cause it's 90 days. Some pay for only 45 days, some even 20 days. What has this got to do with anything? If NTL supplied me with decent retention for binaries I'd use them for sure. And I prefer to use google groups for text.

and as for the ludicrous 'i have no proof that it hurts the network', you really need to rethink that...
Go look at contention, the cost of bandwidth, maximum throughputs of all the equipment on ntl;s network.

That's not proof, rather supposition. An NTL employee has just stated that his area was slow because of oversubscription. I get great speeds from giganews 24/7 but not other sites. It obviously has multiple causes, however I'm not privy to that information. And if NTL's contention ratios are too high, it's their own damn fault for oversubcription and advertising a service they cannot provide. Not for users exercising lawful use of their internet service.

Anyway, I'm out of this thread. You simply have gone from saying it's illegal. I proved you wrong. Then you cited about.com. Wrong jurisdiction and wtf about.com? Then you cited a statute that pertained to public viewing. Then you argued it's so obviouslly a legal 'FACT' that downloading is illegal, requiring no proof and confusing morality and the law. Now you're talking about usenet retention.

[anduin]

Back to the point of the thread which is where i started ...

People excessively using bandwidth causes a degraded service for all, i dont need ot prove it as anyone with an ounce of common sense understand it - no service provider has unlimited bandwidth.

@Bill:
Get the hell off that horse you are climbing up on; I already basically agreed with you when i said 'goo on you' for downloading in the wee hours. At this moment in time you downloading at 5am means nothing to me. AND whilst i am thinking about it ... I never claimed to know the exact specs of NTL;s backbone and equipment .. i simply was demonstrating that its a finate number that as a group we as ntl customers will exceed if greedy ****s like you constantly download. So climb back out of your **** and realise it.

---------- Post added at 18:03 ---------- Previous post was at 18:01 ----------

Originally Posted by RXP

Anyway, I'm out of this thread. You simply have gone from saying it's illegal. I proved you wrong.

Sorry son but you proved nothing. Show me your proof that its legal.

Originally Posted by anduin

Back to the point of the thread which is where i started ...

People excessively using bandwidth causes a degraded service for all, i dont need ot prove it as anyone with an ounce of common sense understand it - no service provider has unlimited bandwidth.

@Bill:
Get the hell off that horse you are climbing up on; I already basically agreed with you when i said 'goo on you' for downloading in the wee hours. At this moment in time you downloading at 5am means nothing to me. AND whilst i am thinking about it ... I never claimed to know the exact specs of NTL;s backbone and equipment .. i simply was demonstrating that its a finate number that as a group we as ntl customers will exceed if greedy ****s like you constantly download. So climb back out of your **** and realise it.

---------- Post added at 18:03 ---------- Previous post was at 18:01 ----------



Sorry son but you proved nothing. Show me your proof that its legal.

You can always tell when someone has lost the plot in a thread . Their post is full of *** and ******* and sometimes ***** and no real substance.

Originally Posted by anduin

Go look at contention, the cost of bandwidth, maximum throughputs of all the equipment on ntl;s network. Go look at the total amount of bandwidth at telehouse or telecity. The look at the amount of people taking bandwidth from it all. Then come back to me and tell me how people downloading masses of content does not affect other users.

So some simple question for you. SON



If NTL are traffic shaping between 6 and 12 and that traffic shaping is there to slow down p2p and give priority to HTTP traffic, Therefor allowing the average user priority HOW CAN WE BE AFFECTING YOU. ? How can it slow down your surfing ?

And if its one thing i cannot stand is being swore at when i have had the decency to keep it CIVIL. Grow up

[anduin]

Originally Posted by Bill C

You can always tell when someone has lost the plot in a thread . Their post is full of *** and ******* and sometimes ***** and no real substance.





So some simple question for you. SON



If NTL are traffic shaping between 6 and 12 and that traffic shaping is there to slow down p2p and give priority to HTTP traffic, Therefor allowing the average user priority HOW CAN WE BE AFFECTING YOU. ? How can it slow down your surfing ?

And if its one thing i cannot stand is being swore at when i have had the decency to keep it CIVIL. Grow up

Did you maybe consider misconfiguration of the traffic shaping server ? Did you maybe consider cpu usage at 100% so the server decides to drop packets? For someone who works for NTL you dont seem to think much....

You can always tell when you are talking to an undertrained sales person....

[Stuart]

Guys, calm down. If the personal comments don't stop, I'll be issuing warnings.

Originally Posted by anduin

Did you maybe consider misconfiguration of the traffic shaping server ? Did you maybe consider cpu usage at 100% so the server decides to drop packets? For someone who works for NTL you dont seem to think much....

You can always tell when you are talking to an undertrained sales person....

Sales person.

Now i have been called lots of things but not salesman

You don't have a clue who i am or what i do, But let me give you a hint i was heavily involved in Broadband for NTL for 5 years.

As per the other posts of yours you just cannot seem to get the facts right.

---------- Post added at 20:28 ---------- Previous post was at 20:24 ----------

Originally Posted by Stuart C

Guys, calm down. If the personal comments don't stop, I'll be issuing warnings.

issue what you want. Its not me acting like a kid and swearing at other users

[anduin]

Bill you are boring me now; you have very selective reading and refuse to accept that everything isnt rosy on the network.

If you know anything about networking you will understand that a misconfigured traffic shaper will cause mayhem, you should also know where packet loss comes from.

You are deliberately trying to assasinate my character becouse i have spoken out about heavy downloaders ruining other users internet access - Which you are one of.

and as my final dig at you personally, i see you didn't deny that you are undertrained

With regards to the swearing, i apologise for it but i needed to convey a point, and the words in my head were not so easy to translate, and knowing that the site would block them anyway i decided to use them - that way you would get the idea of what i was saying.


I am done with this topic now; but be warned that every time i see somebody moaning about slow newsgroup access i WILL bring the point up again.

and a personal note to BillC:
As an NTL employee you really should be ashamed of yourself; you know damn well that if every customer on the network was to download 200gb + a month it wouldne be long before it all went pear shaped. And if you dont know it then i suggest you go and find out.

[Rik]

Originally Posted by anduin

Bill you are boring me now.

And you are boring the rest of us.

When you learn how to speak to people properly then come back and if you speak to people face to face the way you do on the internet, im sure you must like hospital food!

[anduin]

Originally Posted by Rik

And you are boring the rest of us.

When you learn how to speak to people properly then come back and if you speak to people face to face the way you do on the internet, im sure you must like hospital food!

I always tell it the way it is, face to face or not. Thanks for asking.

And for your information i have never tasted hospital food, and am very unlikely to but again thanks for your concern.

Maybe if this thread bores you so much you should go read another ?

[Rik]

Originally Posted by anduin

Maybe if this thread bores you so much you should go read another ?

I have the other usenet Post

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...6#post34152586

Completion is the problem on that thread tho, not speed!

Originally Posted by anduin

Bill you are boring me now; you have very selective reading and refuse to accept that everything isnt rosy on the network.

If you know anything about networking you will understand that a misconfigured traffic shaper will cause mayhem, you should also know where packet loss comes from.

You are deliberately trying to assasinate my character becouse i have spoken out about heavy downloaders ruining other users internet access - Which you are one of.

and as my final dig at you personally, i see you didn't deny that you are undertrained

With regards to the swearing, i apologise for it but i needed to convey a point, and the words in my head were not so easy to translate, and knowing that the site would block them anyway i decided to use them - that way you would get the idea of what i was saying.


I am done with this topic now; but be warned that every time i see somebody moaning about slow newsgroup access i WILL bring the point up again.

and a personal note to BillC:
As an NTL employee you really should be ashamed of yourself; you know damn well that if every customer on the network was to download 200gb + a month it wouldne be long before it all went pear shaped. And if you dont know it then i suggest you go and find out.

I have a rule, I don't feed the trolls and as you are now in that class i will no longer be feeding you.

[bean999]

You know, it's going to be amusing when ntl users are downloading ITV at some point in the future, all evening and night, high def, high bandwidth, and the peeps downloading compressed avis are going to start to get cross...

IMNAL but I happen to know that on the trollish point (aimed in both directions) on whether downloading copyrighted works is illegal, unauthorized distribution in the UK is unlawful, usually actionable in civil law.

It's academic tho; I download heavily, podcasts, video podcasts, content-rich websites, vids, animations. That's all perfectly lawful. Additionally, in my experience, there's no throttling of binary newsgroups.