UsetServer slow Downloads

Originally Posted by RXP

Yah, but it's with all sites and speed tests. Not just one. What proxy do you use Bill to get good web speed?

Well tonight i have not been as the Manchester south proxy's seem ok . Never in a million years did i think i would be saying that.

[Rik]

Originally Posted by Bill C

At the moment Newshosting are so slow i dumped my account with them and signed up with giganews there is also a thread about this HERE and HERE

Now you can chose not to believe me but why is it i can get full speed from giga news and not from Newshosting ?.

Ditto!

My advice is dump your Newsprovider and sign up for Giganews.

I get 1207kB/s ANY TIME OF DAY

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Originally Posted by anduin

LMAO, Its legal for you to download copyrighted material all day long is it ? yet somehow you want to say it may be illegal for NTL to stop you from doing it... Thats just too funny.

Who mentioned anything about Copyrighted Material???

Every post on Usenet is not copyrighted/illegal material you know.

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Originally Posted by Bill C

Try this

No SSL Bill.

Giganews offer that now for a extra $5, you dont want NTL spying on your downloads now do you?

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Originally Posted by Bill C

I am a very very heavy user

Me too, these Linux Distros seem to get bigger and bigger every week dont they?

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by the_wid

Ive been pulling my hair out on this for weeks, but after reading some of the articles on here relating to this it seems I'm not the only one.

I'm on a 10mb connection and normally get about 1200kbs download from UNS.

Now I will sometimes get this in the morning time but by evening this slows to about 200 to 300kbs.

UNS say that I've probally been placed in an Ip block for high users, as I've read on here. apparently unlimited use for my £35 does not mean unlimited.

Sky are releasing a 10mb service in my area soon and that might be time to jump ship if NTL are going to do this and not have the courtesy to inform me of their actions.

This has to be illegal?

The Wid

It's not illegal. They have clauses in their terms and conditions that enable them to take action against heavy downloaders. When they do, the action taken does not (AFAIK) include a range of IPs for heavy users.

However, the situation with Newshosting appears to be that their connection with NTL is slow, and rather than doing something about it, Newshosting are blaming NTL.

Giganews actually has a dedicated link to NTL, which is why they are able to offer high speeds reliably.

[anduin]

Originally Posted by Rik

Who mentioned anything about Copyrighted Material???

Every post on Usenet is not copyrighted/illegal material you know.

Yeh right; so you are trying to say its possible to max out a 10mb or 20mb connection for so many hours a day .. every day .. i smell something and its not the wife cooking!

Lets take an example ...

Fedord Core 6, 3.28gb for the dvd ISO download, on a 10mb connection that wouldnt take all that long.. Just exactly how many times do you need it ? .. now lets say you want to try every major linux distro .. thats maybe 10 - 15 dvd's you need. So there's maybe 3 days of your connection used at most. -
( i moan about it but ... ) All you people moan about slow speeds, then you sit there and saturate bandwidth all day long..

Can't have it both ways, either accept that there is only so much bandwidth in the world and limit yourselves, or dont moan when you are forcefully slowed down or stopped from pillaging it all.

Frankly you are lucky i dont get to make the decisions .. if i did you people using 200gb+ of bandwidth a month would be looking for another service provider.

[RXP]

You don't have to limit anything, you have to choose when to use the bandwidth. Like outside of prime time. And as I keep saying over and over, it's not illegal to download copyrighted material

[Russ]

So why do people get prosecuted for it?

I'm exempt from copyright laws if the music I download is for work purposes - I use the radio station's licence. If it's not illegal then why do I need the licence?

[MovedGoalPosts]

If it's not illegal to download copyrighted material, why are the various companies that create the movies, music, software, spending so much effort of closing down sites that provide these downloads? If the legality was above reproach then the sites wouldn't be able to be closed.

Or are you saying that the person who breaches the copyright rules is only the uploader, not the leecher?

Originally Posted by Russ B

So why do people get prosecuted for it?

I'm exempt from copyright laws if the music I download is for work purposes - I use the radio station's licence. If it's not illegal then why do I need the licence?

Is it not UPloading that they are done for ?.

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Originally Posted by Rob C

Or are you saying that the person who breaches the copyright rules is only the uploader, not the leecher?

It seems to be that way at the moment. I might be wrong but i think all the RIAA and MPAA attacks have been on uploaders

[anduin]

Originally Posted by RXP

You don't have to limit anything, you have to choose when to use the bandwidth. Like outside of prime time. And as I keep saying over and over, it's not illegal to download copyrighted material

I suggest you take a peek:

http://mp3.about.com/od/isitlegal/a/riaalawsuits.htm

Look near the bottom where it completely dismisses your foolish notion that downloading copyrighted material isnt illegal.


in fact i'll make it easy for you:::

"To be as specific/technical as possible, downloading copyrighted material without expressed permission is illegal. Such music must be purchased in order to be legal. "

Originally Posted by anduin

I suggest you take a peek:

http://mp3.about.com/od/isitlegal/a/riaalawsuits.htm

Look near the bottom where it completely dismisses your foolish notion that downloading copyrighted material isnt illegal.


in fact i'll make it easy for you:::

"To be as specific/technical as possible, downloading copyrighted material without expressed permission is illegal. Such music must be purchased in order to be legal. "

Every now and then we get the It's wrong brigade come along. I just ask you one thing are you totally squeaky clean in EVERYTHING you do in your life. I bet you have done something wrong.

So what gives you the right to come on here and lecture someone about what is right and wrong .

And as you have a beef about what people download. If i was to fill my bandwidth with LEGAL downloads all day i take it you would be happy with that as its legal or do you just dislike downloading full stop

[RXP]

Originally Posted by Rob C

If it's not illegal to download copyrighted material, why are the various companies that create the movies, music, software, spending so much effort of closing down sites that provide these downloads? If the legality was above reproach then the sites wouldn't be able to be closed.

They work by people not knowing their legal rights and not having the capital to fight. They work against people's fears. In the US they sue single mums, dead people, students etc because they know they cannot fight it. They pick on the weak, helpless and ignorant. Fortuntely recently they picked on a millionaire who plans to take their invitation of a court date.

In the US, for example, the DMCA's safe harbor provisions are abused. US webhosts and are compelled to remove sites, to protect themselves from damages claims. They are effectively using blackmail to use ISP's/SP's as a proxy for enforcing IP law. Even if they're not entirely in the legal right. They publically make weak cases for suits to impact on stock prices and through backdoor channels.

Also the PirateBay is a good example of how MPAA have extra-jurisdictional reach without being in the legal right. Why? Big money.

I'm exempt from copyright laws if the music I download is for work purposes - I use the radio station's licence. If it's not illegal then why do I need the licence?

Your radio station has probably hired a law firm. It is in their duty of care to you to provide good legal advice. Getting a licence is good advice for the above mentioned reasons. It covers them completely. It is also for commercial use ('work purposes') so that probably impacts things even more.

A good analogy in everyday life is the power of attorney. It does not need to be witnessed by a solictor, however most power of attorneys are. They charge, sometimes, hundreds of pounds to sign a document. Why? People want peace of mind. Even though it is not a legal requirement.

Or are you saying that the person who breaches the copyright rules is only the uploader, not the leecher?

[/quote]

Ca-ching! Even this isn't entirely clear cut though. There's some good legal arguments to save your ass from getting sued. Causation is a big one and I'm sure if I was a millionaire my army of lawyers could think of some more.

Also to my knowledge Directive 2001/29/EC does not effect any of this atm. Directives can have Direct effect of course, but I haven't investigated this further. I don't think it does have Direct Effect though.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Bill C

Every now and then we get the It's wrong brigade come along. I just ask you one thing are you totally squeaky clean in EVERYTHING you do in your life. I bet you have done something wrong.

So what gives you the right to come on here and lecture someone about what is right and wrong .

I don't think he's doing that - from his post all he appears to be doing is pointing out where the other fella was wrong

[RXP]

Originally Posted by anduin

I suggest you take a peek:

http://mp3.about.com/od/isitlegal/a/riaalawsuits.htm

Look near the bottom where it completely dismisses your foolish notion that downloading copyrighted material isnt illegal.


in fact i'll make it easy for you:::

"To be as specific/technical as possible, downloading copyrighted material without expressed permission is illegal. Such music must be purchased in order to be legal. "

1) Wrong jurisdiction.
2) It doesn't completely dismiss anything. There is no legal argument made on the page. It just says "downloading is illegal" There is no reference to jurisprudence from case law or statute. Not saying there is no argument to be made for the case in the US. But about.com isn't where you'll find it.
3)

To be as specific/technical as possible, downloading copyrighted material without expressed permission is illegal. Such music must be purchased in order to be legal. "

This is a load of huff too. If I pay a dodgy kid down the street to download music, it's not legal. He doesn't own the copyright.

Originally Posted by Russ B

I don't think he's doing that - from his post all he appears to be doing is pointing out where the other fella was wrong

If that is the case then i stand corrected. However the whole area of copyright when it comes to music and video is not as clear cut as it's made out to be and i do know of one legal get out which i told you about if they came hunting me.

BTW i don't download music

And anyone can throw links about http://www.slyck.com/story1340.html

[RXP]

Originally Posted by Bill C

So what gives you the right to come on here and lecture someone about what is right and wrong .

Bill, I don't think anyone is discussing morality here though. Because the moral case for IP law is even weaker and malable. Purported IP theft doesn't deprive anyone of their goods, it kills millions around the world due to expensive drug costs and it is only considered theft because big money has more legislative and judicial influence than democracy.

If we took a referendum on the question of suing people for downloading films/music I cannot see us loosing. I mean the latest estimates show millions are doing it, even more will think it's a waste of police and court time when there are 'real' criminals out there.

The market demands VOD. However, the incumbants cannot decide on how to supply it, how to get around the IP problems, technology. So the market takes it through other channels, IMHO.