Tory economic policy (or lack of?) - Page 8

06-10-2006, 15:25

You can ask a swivel-eyed xenophobe anything.

**Maggy** · 06-10-2006, 15:54

Ok.The question is what has your present discussion got to do with the original post apart from demonstrating why the Tories appear to have no policies because they keep arguing about past glories and past times and are failing to look to the future instead...

hatedbythemail · 06-10-2006, 16:20

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

Ok.The question is what has your present discussion got to do with the original post apart from demonstrating why the Tories appear to have no policies because they keep arguing about past glories and past times and are failing to look to the future instead...

are you taliking the original original question or the second original question though ;-)

**Maggy** · 06-10-2006, 16:24

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Originally Posted by hatedbythemail

are you taliking the original original question or the second original question though ;-)

Stop trying to confuse matters...I want to know how discussing the merits of John Major has ANYTHING to do with any of the Tories present policies(or lack of)on tax or anything else that they may have half suggested?

hatedbythemail · 06-10-2006, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

Stop trying to confuse matters...I want to know how discussing the merits of John Major has ANYTHING to do with any of the Tories present policies(or lack of)on tax or anything else that they may have half suggested?

well im pretty confused myself. im impressed with the devotion to each of freezin and forever war are giving to their chosen viewpoints, even if this has zip all to do with current tory policy/non-policy. maybe it will all make sense soon as the strands come together..... a bit like cameron laying down new tory brand values before actually coming up with policies to match

**Maggy** · 06-10-2006, 19:07

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Originally Posted by hatedbythemail

well im pretty confused myself. im impressed with the devotion to each of freezin and forever war are giving to their chosen viewpoints, even if this has zip all to do with current tory policy/non-policy. maybe it will all make sense soon as the strands come together..... a bit like cameron laying down new tory brand values before actually coming up with policies to match

Well thanks a lot..I've now PMPL and I 'll have to change my underwear...

06-10-2006, 19:10

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Originally Posted by Hatedbythemail

well im pretty confused myself. im impressed with the devotion to each of freezin and forever war are giving to their chosen viewpoints, even if this has zip all to do with current tory policy/non-policy. maybe it will all make sense soon as the strands come together..... a bit like cameron laying down new tory brand values before actually coming up with policies to match

You brought started this deviation from present Tory policies when you said on the first page of this thread:

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Originally Posted by Hatedbythemail

tebbit clearly took the bait judging by his tax slashing europhobic rant at a fringe meeting yesterday.

... and I asked why you thought Tebbit's speech was a europhobic rant.

And, Incognitas, John Major came into it when someone said:

"If you ask me we could do with more "men of the people" like John Major, and fewer of the "ivory tower" brigade that seem to rule Westminster."

Are threads not allowed to develop here? I think it is sometimes necessary to look at the past to understand the present.

hatedbythemail · 06-10-2006, 19:20

hey, dont take offence. i couldnt give a monkeys if we head off topic as long as its interesting ;-)

(and im genuine in saying im impressed with the research and knowledge behind your and foreverwars posts. like, peace, man ;-)

**Maggy** · 06-10-2006, 19:34

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Originally Posted by freezin

You brought started this deviation from present Tory policies when you said on the first page of this thread:

... and I asked why you thought Tebbit's speech was a europhobic rant.

And, Incognitas, John Major came into it when someone said:

"If you ask me we could do with more "men of the people" like John Major, and fewer of the "ivory tower" brigade that seem to rule Westminster."

Are threads not allowed to develop here? I think it is sometimes necessary to look at the past to understand the present.

Ah but surely the Tory party should be trying to be a forward thinking party because they only have three years to come up with a decisive set of policies that really make them stand out from Labour.With all due respect Major is gone and they have a new leader whom whatever else he is isn't a John Major.

Not that I really care, I hate the Tories almost as much as I hate New Labour.

On second thoughts I hate ALL party politics.

06-10-2006, 19:35

It's ok, I'm not offended, I've had to develop a fairly thick skin, and I might be inclined to take position on my soap box a bit too readily.

But thanks for your peace offering anyway, it's appreciated. I couldn't even detect any sarcasm.

**Hugh** · 06-10-2006, 21:40

Apologies to all involved for over-researched replies by a ex policy wonk. I forgot I was on a forum, and thought I was back in the "good old days" of "if you can't dazzle them with diamonds, drown them with data" - thanks for the reminder to come back to the real world, Coggy.

Thanks for bringing me back down to earth, Coggy.

ps Sorry for the delay in replying - we were out to dinner with friends who are moving to NZ in two weeks (lucky beggars).

**Maggy** · 06-10-2006, 22:31

I like to be helpful..

Anyway when does anyone think we will see some form of concrete policy from the Tories?.Before,during or after the next general election?

Perhaps we should open a book on it?

**Hugh** · 07-10-2006, 08:53

Just before the election - they will try to survive on marketing presentations until then, as any detail will be used (just like any other parties) to "spin" the worst possible scenario.
eg - Tories will cut waste in NHS/Education/Forces/etc
spin = Heartless Right-Wing zealots, who don't care about ordinary working people, to cut funds to NHS / worsen little children's education / weaken our boys in Iraq / etc.

I think the big problem now is that all parties instinctively attack the others policies, instead of asking "does this help the country?".

I think we need to get back to "country above party", but I don't know how we will.

Hey, I just realised - this contribution was actually relevant to the thread header - wahay!

Xaccers · 07-10-2006, 09:40

Sounds about right foreverwar, gives them a chance to sort out their public image without giving the enemy ammo and oppertunities to attack them in the mean time.

hatedbythemail · 07-10-2006, 13:22

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Sounds about right foreverwar, gives them a chance to sort out their public image without giving the enemy ammo and oppertunities to attack them in the mean time.

it undoubtedly does and im sure is central to thinking but i do think cameron recognises the need to reionvent the party and you cant do that over night. like i say i think his first step is to establish what new tory means and stands for, before creating policies to fit that mould. its a sensible product development and business plan although one thats in danger of forgetting that politics is about ideology, as labour did.

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one for you freezin ;-) some bloke called farage says ukip are the common sense majority http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5415252.stm