[Now Official] More ntl speed changes

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by zovat

Ouch



so 3GB per month is ample capacity for home usage at 1M and costs £27 ?
and 1M with a limit of 8GB is £50 - Hmmm - won't be using them then

Not quite as bad as it seems. The usage allowance is for daytime weekday downstream usage. Uploads, night and weekend downloads are unlimited.

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by ianathuth

Have a look at http://www.aaisp.net.uk/aa/adsl/adslother.html for a laugh and see what their charges are like. Please note the top up charge for usage above your monthly allowance which is £5.88 per GB.

I dont think I'd use them for a price comparison - all their prices are steep - I'd compare with a more 'normal' ADSL supplier like bulldog, nildram or pipex.

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

I dont think I'd use them for a price comparison - all their prices are steep - I'd compare with a more 'normal' ADSL supplier like bulldog, nildram or pipex.

This was a site that I found by accident when searching for something else and I know that prices are steep when compared to popular ISPs. The question is though, are the popular ISPs pricing their products at a long term viable rate or are they taking little profit or making a loss in order to build up market share?

[DVS]

I'd expect neither. Bandwidth costs decrease the more you buy (or at least in my environment they do). Larger ISPs buy more bandwidth so the cost is lower on a Mbit by Mbit basis.

[scrotnig]

I think everyone should really take a step back and wait until nearer the time before deciding if they think this will be a good deal or not.

Full details will undoubtedly be released nearer the time, and some wag will undoubtedly post them on here within seconds, so we need not worry on that score.

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Mark B

I think everyone should really take a step back and wait until nearer the time before deciding if they think this will be a good deal or not.

Full details will undoubtedly be released nearer the time, and some wag will undoubtedly post them on here within seconds, so we need not worry on that score.

When something new or different is announced it is bound to be discussed and speculated upon. This can be a good thing in that many angles are brought up, some of which may not have been apparant in the first place. In the case of these new speeds from NTL it may be that NTL learn something from this thread which may or may not affect the ultimate product and its AUP. Nobody will be able to make a final decision on what they will do in future until final details are available but they will have looked at various ramifications of what is proposed and be better placed to make that decision.

[scrotnig]

Originally Posted by ianathuth

When something new or different is announced it is bound to be discussed and speculated upon. This can be a good thing in that many angles are brought up, some of which may not have been apparant in the first place. In the case of these new speeds from NTL it may be that NTL learn something from this thread which may or may not affect the ultimate product and its AUP. Nobody will be able to make a final decision on what they will do in future until final details are available but they will have looked at various ramifications of what is proposed and be better placed to make that decision.

I agree, but as expected this thread has been hijacked by the 'aren't caps terrible' brigade, who seem to be pre-empting what will happen.

I think every man and his dog knows about the cap issue, and the thread's doing little good while the usual suspects are just using it as a stick to beat ntl with.

I say let's hold off on the cap stuff at least, certainly until ntl come out and say exactly what will happen regarding all that, then, if it looks a poor deal, people will be justified in saying so...on the other hand, if it's a GOOD deal.....

[etccarmageddon]

Nildram's Pay As You Go ADSL offers 2GB top ups at just under £4 a go.

http://www.nildram.co.uk/pdf/payg.pdf

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Mark B

I agree, but as expected this thread has been hijacked by the 'aren't caps terrible' brigade, who seem to be pre-empting what will happen.

I think every man and his dog knows about the cap issue, and the thread's doing little good while the usual suspects are just using it as a stick to beat ntl with.

I say let's hold off on the cap stuff at least, certainly until ntl come out and say exactly what will happen regarding all that, then, if it looks a poor deal, people will be justified in saying so...on the other hand, if it's a GOOD deal.....

NTL are increasing the speeds of the tiers and holding prices at current levels. The only way that this can be seen as bad news is that some users may be concerned that higher uncapped speeds will be taken advantage of by the 24/7 lets max out our connections brigade who could possibly affect the usage of others on their UBR. By imposing caps the aforementioned brigade will moan like hell about them. In other words, caps are the only thing left to be talked about and people will talk about them until they cease to exist, if they ever do.

[scrotnig]

Originally Posted by ianathuth

NTL are increasing the speeds of the tiers and holding prices at current levels. The only way that this can be seen as bad news is that some users may be concerned that higher uncapped speeds will be taken advantage of by the 24/7 lets max out our connections brigade who could possibly affect the usage of others on their UBR. By imposing caps the aforementioned brigade will moan like hell about them. In other words, caps are the only thing left to be talked about and people will talk about them until they cease to exist, if they ever do.

Very true, and the concerns of those worried about caps should not be dismissed as irrelevant, because they ARE relevant. I just think all sides should hold their fire now until we know the outcome.

[BBKing]

Have a look at http://www.aaisp.net.uk/aa/adsl/adslother.html for a laugh and see what their charges are like. Please note the top up charge for usage above your monthly allowance which is £5.88 per GB.

That's my ISP

Actually, apart from being weektime daytime only (actually it's 6am-10pm weekdays) the cap also only applies downstream, so my webserver at home is unaffected, and from the end of the month the downstream speed is 2Mb rather than 1Mb. It's not a hard cap either, it's advisory (for now). I'm moving to that when the 2Mb comes out.

Quite a few NTL guys use them, as they're very reliable* and very Unix friendly (they run http://sod.ms). I'm quite happy to pay a bit more for an ISP that knows what it's doing.

* Two recent serious outages notwithstanding, including one this morning. Was fixed by the time I got to work though, as was the last one. They do thorough outage reports plus off-network IRC and phone updates too, plus IPv6, hosting, reverse DNS and as many static IPs as you can eat. Hell, they should give me a month free for this now.

[Ignition]

Good network too, even if it is machines running NetBSD :

Your link from us appears to be about 2.008194Mb/s

[DVS]

Fix Smiley

Originally Posted by BBKing

Quite a few NTL guys use them, as they're very reliable* and very Unix friendly (they run http://sod.ms). I'm quite happy to pay a bit more for an ISP that knows what it's doing.

That comment could be seriously misconstrued. NTL guys use an ISP because the ISP knows what they are doing. Whats that say about NTL (Sorry couldn't resist )

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by DVS

Fix Smiley That comment could be seriously misconstrued. NTL guys use an ISP because the ISP knows what they are doing. Whats that say about NTL (Sorry couldn't resist )

To me it says that some NTL guys don't live in a NTL cabled area.

[BBKing]

To me it says that some NTL guys don't live in a NTL cabled area.

You're so sharp you'll cut yourself. Indeed, not all ntl people are herded into on-net areas