[Merged] Arafat Dead. - Page 2

TigaSefi · 05-11-2004, 09:14

It been a long time coming, most of my ppl have been waiting for a LONG time for this to happen. I can't say anything good about that terrorist.

**Chris** · 05-11-2004, 10:57

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It been a long time coming, most of my ppl have been waiting for a LONG time for this to happen. I can't say anything good about that terrorist.

Are you Jewish, then?

Derek · 05-11-2004, 11:17

I would say most Palestinians feel the same way about Ariel Sharon.

Terrorism/state sponsored killing in any form can't be excused.

TigaSefi · 05-11-2004, 11:29

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Are you Jewish, then?

No, an Israeli and yes there a difference

, my mother is not Jewish. And I like Sharon, he a hardliner.

Salu · 05-11-2004, 11:32

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In a 'reversible coma'.......whatever that is

I think this refers to the fact that a lot of people on ITUs are in a drug induced state of coma. Anaesthetised if you like. So that their bodily functions can be better controlled.

I imagine the brain dead confusion has arisen because of this and that he has been reported to have had a "brain scan". One may jump to the conclusion that this is a brain stem test although it could be a number of things. CT, MRI etc etc

andygrif · 05-11-2004, 11:51

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No, an Israeli and yes there a difference

, my mother is not Jewish. And I like Sharon, he a hardliner.

So is Bush. For hardliner, these days, I read terrorist. Sharon's form of terrorism is state sponsored, or rather sponsored by the USA.

Eyes for eyes is not the answer, sensible discussion is. If Sharon will not even talk to the opposite side then what possible hope for peace can there be? And coming out with offensive comments like "Arafat will never be buried in Jerusalem" on serves to prove what a moron the guy is.

TigaSefi · 05-11-2004, 12:05

Mate, Would u wanna talk to a double dealing two faced terrorist like Arafat when he says go ahead with a suicide bomb and then when it does happen, he just condemns it as a flippant remark?

Reminds me of Gerry Adams really and I don't trust that bloke as far as I can throw him either. Nor Martin McGuinness. AND when a bloke that the Palestinians put up for negotiations, he a puppet with the corrupt legion behind him telling him what to do which was sweet FA!

Funny thing is I hate Bush with a passion but he good for the middle east. I hate Blair too but there no alternative. See it all messed this politics rubbish. Sure suicide bombers families really shouldn't face their houses being destroyed but what u want us to do ? Stand idly ? No... withdrawing completely from Gaza and Westbank will be the right thing to do cos it gives them less reasons to keep attacking us. I want us out of there just like Lebanon. And the Lebanon border is rather quiet these days with only the odd missile here and there.

And I rather that the Palestinians stop wasting the EU aids of several hundreds of million of dollars in weapons and hidey hidey cosy cosy banks in other countries and spend it on the ppl. Building new houses/business/infrastructure of the "country" will do more for the peace process than any crappy "agreements".

Well I know from previous arguments I am in the minority here so I'll keep out of it from now.

andygrif · 05-11-2004, 12:38

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Mate, Would u wanna talk to a double dealing two faced terrorist like Arafat when he says go ahead with a suicide bomb and then when it does happen, he just condemns it as a flippant remark?

Don't get me wrong, I think Arafat is as bas as Sharon - and therin lies the problem.

The difference is that Sharon kills Palestinians as an act of government, and the Palestinians are killing Isrealis "unofficially". I don't see any difference between the two, they are equally abhorrent and as long as one keeps up with their current level of action, the other will too. This is not the road to peace is it?

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Funny thing is I hate Bush with a passion but he good for the middle east.

Can you explain why you believe this please? Becuase he continues to fund Isreal's "defence" strategy?

punky · 05-11-2004, 12:45

I wasn't going to say it as I thought it might be inflammatory, but now someone else has, I might as well. I hope Arafat dies, and soon. If people can wish Bush dead, then I can certainly wish Arafat dead, who actually IS a terrorist.

I can only hope he is replaced by someone who does actually want peace, and will work for it.

TigaSefi · 05-11-2004, 13:09

Andygrif,

John Kerry or Bush on strong issues ? there isn't much choice when it came down to it. John Kerry wasn't as sure on issues and Bush is however misguided it is. Under John Kerry I think he would be a weak president overseas. Now if Democrats had a good candidate then I would have preferred that person.

Bifta · 05-11-2004, 13:09

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I can only hope he is replaced by someone who does actually want peace, and will work for it.

Ah you mean someone who WILL bend to Israel's will ....

punky · 05-11-2004, 13:23

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Ah you mean someone who WILL bend to Israel's will ....

No, but someone who will not condone strapping bombs to kids and letting them blow up Israelis.

Someone who'll instead of backing, financing and empowering groups like Hamas, outlaw them. Once that happens some reasonable dialogue can happen. You can just tell the west that you don't condone terrorists, then turn around when they are gone and support them. I support Palestine's right to exist, but I won't support terrorists.

TigaSefi · 05-11-2004, 13:27

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Ah you mean someone who WILL bend to Israel's will ....

heh I have to laugh, so u think cos he allowed everything in the past to happen cos he refused to bend to Israel's will ? or perhaps.... he is a Terrorist ??? jeez......ok i know every prime minster or president isn't totally straight and does a bit of dealing here and there but Arafat wasn't a good stateman at all. He was frightened of his own people and didn't want to agree to ANYTHING cos he'd be seen as weak and that was a major point of not being able to get a settled area.

However Sharon is withdrawing unilaterally and not everyone agrees with it because it looks like we're conceding vitally important land but I myself agree it should be done. Looks to me someone is willing to do something about it.

punky · 05-11-2004, 13:32

Bifta: I admit I am going out on a limb here, because "The Troubles" isn't my strong point, so I might be completely wrong.

But wasn't the Provos (provisional IRA/real IRA) which I am guessing most percieved as a terrorist group (they imported arms from Libya didn't they?) did more harm than good to the peace protest?

Bifta · 05-11-2004, 13:36

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Bifta: I admit I am going out on a limb here, because "The Troubles" isn't my strong point, so I might be completely wrong.

But wasn't the Provos (provisional IRA/real IRA) which I am guessing most percieved as a terrorist group (they imported arms from Libya didn't they?) did more harm than good to the peace protest?

No, Sinn Fein were perfectly willing to (and did) engage in peace talks, if they wanted to do harm to the peace protest then surely calling a ceasefire 6 years ago wouldn't have been the smartest plan?

(and they imported arms from Scotland, Wales, Libya, Canada, USA and various other places)