Women

[Florence]

Originally Posted by iadom

See what I mean, she's done it again,

On the left is the first slice I had to take to level it up, and on the right is my second slice,
Why is this so difficult ladies,

And before you ask, the chocs are for any children who have made a decent effort tonight.

You are so good you can have the job Permenantly

[punky]

Originally Posted by Kits

You are so good you can have the job Permenantly

Yeah, be careful Iadom, or you might find your sarnie supply drying up all of a sudden

About the parking thing. A little while ago, I was out with a female friend of mine. I went to parallel park, bosh bosh bosh, done. Car actually parallel to the curb, wheels a few inches away. Took me a couple of seconds and I guess I made it look easy (experience I guess), and she was gobsmacked. She has a Ka (who on earth can't park a Ka?), and said she wished she, and her mates found it that easy. I was chuffed to say the least. It wern't even my mum's old 5 series either.

[iadom]

just to let you all know,
greenkeeper
1. I dust on top of the freezer and fridge when I defrost them, it is not good practice to drag them out more often than that.
Incognitas
2. I was cutting the bread to make her toast ( I have oven bottom muffins) to go with the breakfast that I prepare every Sunday.

3. I also cook 80% of the meals and do 95% of the washing up, all the vacuuming, half the washing, ironing, dusting, cleaning the bathroom etc, etc. I also do some of the shopping as well so there.

[MovedGoalPosts]

Originally Posted by iadom

3. I also cook 80% of the meals and do 95% of the washing up, all the vacuuming, half the washing, ironing, dusting, cleaning the bathroom etc, etc. I also do some of the shopping as well so there.

So guess who wears the trousers in your house

[kronas]

Originally Posted by MovedGoalPosts

So guess who wears the trousers in your house

so who wears the skirt ?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by punky

Yeah, be careful Iadom, or you might find your sarnie supply drying up all of a sudden

About the parking thing. A little while ago, I was out with a female friend of mine. I went to parallel park, bosh bosh bosh, done. Car actually parallel to the curb, wheels a few inches away. Took me a couple of seconds and I guess I made it look easy (experience I guess), and she was gobsmacked. She has a Ka (who on earth can't park a Ka?), and said she wished she, and her mates found it that easy. I was chuffed to say the least. It wern't even my mum's old 5 series either.

It's a known biological fact that men are better at spacial awareness tasks than women.
And before the women get up and throw things at me (as if they could hit me ) it's also a known biological fact that women are better at comunicating (except to a bloke when he's done something wrong), multitasking (remember women have a motorway between the two halfs of their brains, men have a dirt track), and gazing at men's bums without being caught (it's true, your periferal vision is better than us bloke's)

[kronas]

ah, good old science

[punky]

I dare say by posting this, I'll get branded a mysoganist. I don't hate women, actually far from it. (if I did hate them, it would save me a lot of grief and heartache), but I do hate inequality, injustice and elitism.

I managed to catch the second half of "Britain's secret shame" today, where it exclusively talked about deaths of women prisoners. Now, trying to prevent the death of prisoners, is admirable. But that only women prisoners deserve that effort and the men can be thrown to the wolves? What kind of country are we leading to where we keep getting these programs that portray women are special, and elite, and therefore worthy of protection, that men aren't allowed? The stats are, that 85 men died in prison, while 9 women died. Admitted the percentage does work out that women are twice as likely to die, but isn't 85 deaths worse than 9? Couple that with the fact there are all these women-only outreach programs, and they get linient sentencing anyway.

I believe in the "one world, one people" principal, where gender and race are taken out of the equation. There shouldn't be any such thing as "male criminals" and "female criminals". You should only have criminals and non criminals, and I really despise the way people say "let's help these people over here, but not over there". By keep partitioning society into all these different groups will never give us equality. I am not saying we should stop helping women with this, or that, but everyone should be helped, as a whole.

Am I crazy, or being mysoganist or do I have a point? If you disagree, please don't red rep, please prove me wrong. I am not trying to preach hate against women, but the opposite, I want women AND men to be respected.

Stats: http://www.official-documents.co.uk/.../5996/5996.pdf

[BBKing]

Admitted the percentage does work out that women are twice as likely to die, but isn't 85 deaths worse than 9?

You've said it yourself - why, given the small percentage of women in prison as a proportion of the prison population, are they twice as likely to commit suicide? That's a question worthy of an answer.

[punky]

Originally Posted by BBKing

You've said it yourself - why, given the small percentage of women in prison as a proportion of the prison population, are they twice as likely to commit suicide? That's a question worthy of an answer.

But there are almost 10 times as many men dying? The problem should be looked at regardless if you are male or female.

BTW, the deaths refer to self-inflicted ones, which is what the program seemed to focus on.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by punky

But there are almost 10 times as many men dying? The problem should be looked at regardless if you are male or female.

BTW, the deaths refer to self-inflicted ones, which is what the program seemed to focus on.

I agree. It's bad that people see the death of one person as somehow being more serious, or more important than another. Suicide (or any form of death) is bad. Period. People's gender, sexuality, age, or race is irrelevant.

The only people who those facts may be relevant to are the people investigating the circumstances of the death (be they police, prison guards or whatever). Even suicides need to be investigated..

[punky]

Don't get me wrong, the reasons as to why people commit suicide in jail should be investigated and the increased risk of women (0.209% versus 0.127%), should be a factpr, but it is the fact when it comes to do sometrhing, they only aim it at women.

There was a mother who was campaigning for better jails after her daughter commited suicide. She was completely focused about women. She obviously doesn't respect the pain a mother would feel if she lost her son to suicide in jail.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by punky

Don't get me wrong, the reasons as to why people commit suicide in jail should be investigated and the increased risk of women (0.209% versus 0.127%), should be a factpr, but it is the fact when it comes to do sometrhing, they only aim it at women.

True. Not sure I put it well, but that's basically what I am saying. To those investing the suicide, the gender of the person who died is relevant. To most other people, it shouldn't really be relevant.

Originally Posted by punky

Don't get me wrong, the reasons as to why people commit suicide in jail should be investigated and the increased risk of women (0.209% versus 0.127%), should be a factpr, but it is the fact when it comes to do sometrhing, they only aim it at women.

There was a mother who was campaigning for better jails after her daughter commited suicide. She was completely focused about women. She obviously doesn't respect the pain a mother would feel if she lost her son to suicide in jail.

There have been many studies completed on suicide and deaths of prisoners in custody....... as this report (see attached) suggests, the focus has usually been on male prisoners because they constitute the majority, so perhaps you're over exaggerating the significance of studies on women only prisoners I'm not sure that anyone has been excluded but it might be more of a case of trying to get a more rounded view.
Oh i don't know........ just got home and to honest i don't care

[punky]

Originally Posted by marina

the focus has usually been on male prisoners because they constitute the majority

Yeah that is just as bad. I think anything should be done holistically rather than just targeting specific groups. I appreciate what you are saying. Maybe because that report is australian, that things are different down there. It isn't always all about women, as it is sometimes down to race instead of sex. The program just aggravated me a bit. The same thing happened again a few days ago in that US prison thread. I think it is because women have all these rights and monitoring groups behind them, coupled with a revered place in society. Maybe I am making a big deal out of it, but right or wrong it aggravated me. I hate men, or anyone being marginalised just as the women were back in the 50s too.

Edit: My typing sucks lately.