Gay-only schools - Page 2

duncant403 · 29-07-2003, 17:09

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Originally posted by kronas
how ?

as no one seems to have said so really

I think he was pointing out spelling corrections (out should that be typing errors?)

kronas · 29-07-2003, 17:09

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Originally posted by duncant403

To take the other side of the argument, no-one kicks up a fuss over schools take are just for boys/girls/Christians/Jews/Muslims/etc. Is the principle of this any different? Although that type is segregation doesn't tend to be implemented to reduce bullying.

exactly why is that type of segregation allowed to happen and this cant/wont ?

duncant403 · 29-07-2003, 17:20

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Originally posted by kronas
exactly why is that type of segregation allowed to happen and this cant/wont ?

Isn't the right for a religious segregated school set in law? Discrimination against religious groups seems to be treated much more seriously than discrimination against sexual groups. Although I believe you don't have to be Catholic to go to the Catholic school down the road from me - but I believe Catholic children get preference for the limited places.

I'm not saying I agree with religious segregated schools - but then I didn't go to one and I'm not religious (despite having a grandfather who was a CoE vicar and and uncle who's a baptist minister...) so what do I know

kronas · 29-07-2003, 17:23

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Originally posted by duncant403
Isn't the right for a religious segregated school set in law? Discrimination against religious groups seems to be treated much more seriously than discrimination against sexual groups. Although I believe you don't have to be Catholic to go to the Catholic school down the road from me - but I believe Catholic children get preference for the limited places.

i dont know if its law but it shows how real double standards are already festering in our lives and we let them happen but when its something which is rather more contraversial we have to shout about it

i see a bias somewhere.........

Russ · 29-07-2003, 17:42

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something most religious people know lots about Ross could u tell me if u have idealogical issues with this

This is nothing to do with my Christianity.

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To take the other side of the argument, no-one kicks up a fuss over schools take are just for boys/girls/Christians/Jews/Muslims/etc. Is the principle of this any different? Although that type is segregation doesn't tend to be implemented to reduce bullying

A lot of Christian school accept non-christians these days.

My point was that for a section of society which does more than it's fair share of moaning about discrimination to go ahead and exclude people on the grounds of sexuality is double standards, pure and simple.

darkangel · 29-07-2003, 17:44

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This is nothing to do with my Christianity.

really are u telling us u can suspend your christian beliefs when ever u want?

Russ · 29-07-2003, 17:56

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really are u telling us u can suspend your christian beliefs when ever u want?

I've never said that. Read my postings again, I've said the reason for bringing this thread to people's attention is the double standards in it all. Nothing to do with my beliefs. I do have an opinion on homosexuality but it does not belong in this thread.

If you're trying to bait me on this (as some have tried to do in the past), let me assure you that you will fail.

darkangel · 29-07-2003, 18:01

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Originally posted by Russ D
I've never said that. Read my postings again, I've said the reason for bringing this thread to people's attention is the double standards in it all. Nothing to do with my beliefs. I do have an opinion on homosexuality but it does not belong in this thread.

If you're trying to bait me on this (as some have tried to do in the past), let me assure you that you will fail.

I'm not trying to bait u i'm questioning the reason u made the post, your beliefs do cloud your judgment, can u say that think being gay is ok?

cjll3 · 29-07-2003, 18:01

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Originally posted by Russ D
My point was that for a section of society which does more than it's fair share of moaning about discrimination to go ahead and exclude people on the grounds of sexuality is double standards, pure and simple.

And you're totally ignoring the point about why the school is being set up in the first place Russ. They are setting up the school to deal with the problem of children being beaten up in main stream schools and therefore finding it very difficult to get an education.

As a new father it should concern you greatly that your own child may be excluded from education if she turns out to be different.

Russ · 29-07-2003, 18:08

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I'm not trying to bait u i'm questioning the reason u made the post, your beliefs do cloud your judgment, can u say that think being gay is ok?

The fact you are asking me that question indicates your intentions. If the school in question was for straight people ONLY then I'd say it was equally wrong.

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And you're totally ignoring the point about why the school is being set up in the first place Russ. They are setting up the school to deal with the problem of children being beaten up in main stream schools and therefore finding it very difficult to get an education.

That is a job for the teachers and authorities to deal with. It is their responsibility to ensure children aren't picked on for whatever reason. Opening an exclusive school like this will only breed resentment.

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As a new father it should concern you greatly that your own child may be excluded from education if she turns out to be different.

Thank you but I don't really need any advice on parenting right now.

darkangel · 29-07-2003, 18:11

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Originally posted by Russ D
The fact you are asking me that question indicates your intentions.

your dodging the question, my point is u have a bias opinion thats why you have made the post

Russ · 29-07-2003, 18:13

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Originally posted by darkangel
your dodging the question

Yes I'm dodging it because

a) It has nothing to do with this thread

and

b) You are indeed trying to bait me in to saying something controversial. I've seen many people before you try it on and fail, I have no reason to assume it will be any different for you.

Ramrod · 29-07-2003, 18:14

I think that it is probably a good idea (from an anti-bullying aspect). I'm just amazed that they got away with setting it up.

darkangel · 29-07-2003, 18:16

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I'm just amazed that they got away with setting it up.

same here with the amount of neo Christan zealot in government in the US

cjll3 · 29-07-2003, 18:17

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Originally posted by Russ D
That is a job for the teachers and authorities to deal with. It is their responsibility to ensure children aren't picked on for whatever reason. Opening an exclusive school like this will only breed resentment.

And a job that is almost impossible to deal with without moving the victims to a school where they are less likely to be attacked.

It would be nice to say that everyone should get along with out causing agro, but that will never be the case in the real world.

As for breeding resentment, did you go to a state school or religous school, and if so did you feel resentment for having had preferential treatment?

And I'd also like to know where it says that people are excluded because they are hetrosexual?