smoking and the pub

[paulyoung666]

if this really starts to bite dont complain if your taxes start going through the roof
1 of the biggest revenue earners for the govt may be going to go into decline , the result --------- all the other taxes will go up
and i have donned my nomex for the ineviatable flaming i will get for this , no worries i am fire proofed

[bopdude]

As a non smoker and beliver in free will its not a biggie either way to me, although if given a choice i would prefer not to be in a busy smoke filled bar, but as you mention, its coming and in fact its here, past a pub the other week that had a sandwhich board outside proclaiming to be " smoke free "


Get used to it smokers, its coming

[kronas]

i have said many times before smoking bans in public places will do good for the nations health, people will continue to smoke but in their own homes, i expect a revenue drop slightly for the cigarette manufacturers and gordon brown to lose some revenue but im sure it wont be a huge impact.

im sure the government will recoup the money some other way.

proberbly when they introduce pay per mile for motorists, imagine how much that will rake in....

[Steve H]

Hope its implemented here, fed up of coming out of pubs/clubs/pool venues stinking of dirty smoke (Not normal smoke, dirty smoke )

[Bifta]

There are quite a few pubs in Donegal have either closed down or lost a huge amount of revenue due to the smoking ban in Ireland, people who maintain and or sell cigarette vending machines will lose their job, newsagents will miss out on impulse buy's when people buy their fags ... I suppose the off license trade will increase but they'd be better off segregating smokers, cordon off half the pub for those that want to smoke and ventilate it properly.

[jellybaby]

I'm a smoker, but i'd be happy for the ban. I'd much rather go out and have a drink in a smoke free atmosphere

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by kronas

i have said many times before smoking bans in public places will do good for the nations health, people will continue to smoke but in their own homes, i expect a revenue drop slightly for the cigarette manufacturers and gordon brown to lose some revenue but im sure it wont be a huge impact.

Be interesting to see the effect on the NHS. AFAIK the revenue that the NHS gets (indirectly) from the taxes on tobacco is far greater than the cost of treating smokers.

Anyway, back on topic.

Although I don't smoke, I actually don't have any problem with people smoking in bars or pubs. I don't even mind drinking or eating in a smoking area (although given the choice I do go for the non-smoking area).

Having said that, I live with a smoker (always have), so I smell of smoke already.

[danielf]

Unless I'm missing something, I haven't seen a mention of an outright smoking ban in the article (as many people seem to think).

Smoking at the bar is set to be banned in a third of British pubs.

And around 80% of pub space will become non-smoking within five years - but the move could lead to the closure of 5,000 pubs according to the industry.

As a smoker, I'm not too bothered with not smoking at the bar. In fact, many places don't allow that at the moment. And 80% of pub space would simply seem to suggest more non-smoking areas, which I can deal with provided there is an area where you can light up.

[Steve H]

Originally Posted by danielf

Unless I'm missing something, I haven't seen a mention of an outright smoking ban in the article (as many people seem to think).



As a smoker, I'm not too bothered with not smoking at the bar. In fact, many places don't allow that at the moment.

This is just the start though hopefully.

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Steve H

This is just the start though hopefully.

and as a devotee of the wicked weed , i hope you dont complain when the taxes go up to maintain the status quo

[Steve H]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

and as a devotee of the wicked weed , i hope you dont complain when the taxes go up to maintain the status quo

'course a will... but at least I'l smell nice & maybe live a bit longer

[andygrif]

Originally Posted by kronas

i have said many times before smoking bans in public places will do good for the nations health.

Why don't we ban drinking in pubs too whilst we're at it? Oh and bungee jumping too?

Can adults really not make up their own minds whether to go to (or work in) a pub where people smoke?

The points on tax are very valid:

Guinness was only last week blaming the smoking ban in Eire for large drops in sales..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/3621386.stm

So the revenue will decrease not only from tax on cigarettes but also on alcohol and income tax....

The Publican (trade magazine) reports a 16% drop in turnover in all pubs in Eire, plus a 14% drop in staffing levels in the year living with the smoking ban.

[Nikko]

I read today that 80% of respondents in the poll (that the top 5 breweries are basing the restrictions on) would prefer a smoke free environment.

Clearly the breweries are expecting a huge upsurge in trade based on this, whereas in reality its the 20% minority that actually go to the pub.

My local recently instigated the 'no smoking at the bar' rule. Since the pub is open plan, based round a large 'U' shaped bar, it has developed into a nonsensical charade wherin they are trying to define abstract spaces as acceptable (or not) in which to have a lit cigarette. (stand behind the line of the wooden floor surround to the bar its OK to smoke?!)

Originally Posted by andygrif

Why don't we ban drinking in pubs too whilst we're at it? Oh and bungee jumping too?

Can adults really not make up their own minds whether to go to (or work in) a pub where people smoke?

The points on tax are very valid:

Guinness was only last week blaming the smoking ban in Eire for large drops in sales..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/3621386.stm

So the revenue will decrease not only from tax on cigarettes but also on alcohol and income tax....

The Publican (trade magazine) reports a 16% drop in turnover in all pubs in Eire, plus a 14% drop in staffing levels in the year living with the smoking ban.

Because the Government collects £1.2 billion from the sales of alcohol and it costs £2 billion to treat the effects of alcohol, the Government collect £700 million from smokers each year and it costs £200 million per year to treat smoking related diseases, alcohol sales will always go through the roof each year because of the binge drinking effect we have in the UK.

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by andygrif

Guinness was only last week blaming the smoking ban in Eire for large drops in sales..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/3621386.stm

Thats a handy excuse for guinness. (Diageo)
Takes away from them raising their prices by 6 odd %, and are in dispute with a lot of publicans in Dublin