Mum had sex with son

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Bifta

Sorry, but if you think that having sex with your mum/dad is ok, you need psychiatric help, it appears that most people are able to differentiate between right and wrong, normal and sick/twisted, you and your buddy *graham* however prefer to live outside that normality justifying such actions with your favourite word of the week "knee jerk".

[downquark1]

I really don't see why this topic needed 6 pages. It's illegal, they will be punished, no one was hurt or killed.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by downquark1

I really don't see why this topic needed 6 pages. It's illegal, they will be punished, no one was hurt or killed.

Says it all really

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by downquark1

I really don't see why this topic needed 6 pages. It's illegal, they will be punished, no one was hurt or killed.

This went on for 16 pages mainly because of the disbelief most members had about one or two members actually thinking that a mother having sex with her son is ok because they're both adults, and cannot see any reason why there are laws against this depraved, vile, sordid act.....

Originally Posted by downquark1

I really don't see why this topic needed 6 pages. It's illegal, they will be punished, no one was hurt or killed.

Might not of been hurt physically, but I think they and those around them, the immediate family, were hurt psychologically. Which I hazard a guess is why the majority of people think its unacceptable to engage in incest.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by orangebird

It's not just 'King Mick' that thinks it sick, 'Sick Puppy Jerrek'.... As on this thread, it seems everone but you thinks so too. And laws are made to benefit the majority...

i have said that before, the majority rules.

Originally Posted by dellwear

The reason i asked was that you don't seem to know what you want. In this thread you don`t want the government to legislate on moral issues yet in other threads you want the government to ban gay marriage!

me aswell.

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Should we outlaw interracial marriages now because some people think it is disgusting?

i dont know what it was like 50 years ago, i wasent even born then, in my experiance the only people who have said that are people who are racist.

thats just my experiance.

but ofcourse there is blatant ignorance....

Originally Posted by Bifta

Sorry, but if you think that having sex with your mum/dad is ok, you need psychiatric help, it appears that most people are able to differentiate between right and wrong, normal and sick/twisted, you and your buddy *graham* however prefer to live outside that normality justifying such actions with your favourite word of the week "knee jerk".

Alternatively, we have the ability to look at things objectively and accept that our concepts of right and wrong aren`t absolutes that are intrinsically defined, but are merely customs and practices imposed by societal pressures.

I've not explicitly said that incestuous relationships are ok, what I am saying is that your definition of them not being Ok is not based on anything definitive.

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by dr wadd

I've not explicitly said that incestuous relationships are ok, what I am saying is that your definition of them not being Ok is not based on anything definitive.

Ah then in which case obviously my personal opinion is completely invalid, instead of coming out with all this complete waffle, why don't you tell us all if you think incest is wrong or not, and why? Perhaps you're too cowardly to admit that you think incest is not wrong, perhaps you don't want to commit yourself to saying that it IS wrong after criticising everyone elses opinion on the subject .. stop sitting on the fence.

Originally Posted by Bifta

Ah then in which case obviously my personal opinion is completely invalid, instead of coming out with all this complete waffle, why don't you tell if you think it is wrong or not, and why? Perhaps you're too cowardly to admit that you think incest is not wrong, perhaps you don't want to commit yourself to saying that it IS wrong after criticising everyone elses opinion on the subject .. stop sitting on the fence.

If both partners are consenting I don`t see that there is anything wrong with it in absolute terms. No-one is hurt, there are just two people getting it on in the privacy of their own home. At the end of the day, if two adults are consenting then the negative reactions to this incident are no different, and certainly no more valid, than similar reactions to inter-racial or homosexual relationships in past times.

The argument about in-breeding holds no water as there are areas of the country where a lot of inbreeding is taking place through non-incestuous relationships due to close-knit communities that now have a limited gene-pool. If, to take Orangebird's argument, she needs to be protected from potentially deformed children then surely she should be arguing for breeding controls in these areas of the country. I can`t see that happening, so it does shoot a rather large hole straight through that argument.

Take this particular case for instance, how much time and money has been wasted investigating this issue and bringing a prosecution? How much money will be wasted if the mother is given a custodial sentence? These resources could have been put to much better use if directed towards a different goal.

I think I`m perfectly entitled to describe some of the reactions in this thread as "knee-jerk" when you see descriptions such as "sickos" thrown around along with a bunch of spurious assumptions as to people's congitive processes in general simply on the grounds that two people committed incest. The argument that they wouldn`t care whether they conceived a child or not simply because they are people who engage in incest is perhaps one of the most tenuous conclusions I've seen expressed on this board.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by dr wadd

Alternatively, we have the ability to look at things objectively and accept that our concepts of right and wrong aren`t absolutes that are intrinsically defined, but are merely customs and practices imposed by societal pressures.

I've not explicitly said that incestuous relationships are ok, what I am saying is that your definition of them not being Ok is not based on anything definitive.

Unforetunately, a lot of people cannot look at situations involving possible abuse objectively, but you are right, our definitions of right and wrong aren't absolute. They are just based on what the majority of people find acceptable.

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Might not of been hurt physically, but I think they and those around them, the immediate family, were hurt psychologically. Which I hazard a guess is why the majority of people think its unacceptable to engage in incest.

I think this incest would have been the result of sociological damage rather than a larger cause, it does mention the family has a history of abuse.

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by dr wadd

If both partners are consenting I don`t see that there is anything wrong with it in absolute terms. No-one is hurt, there are just two people getting it on in the privacy of their own home. At the end of the day, if two adults are consenting then the negative reactions to this incident are no different, and certainly no more valid, than similar reactions to inter-racial or homosexual relationships in past times.

The argument about in-breeding holds no water as there are areas of the country where a lot of inbreeding is taking place through non-incestuous relationships due to close-knit communities that now have a limited gene-pool. If, to take Orangebird's argument, she needs to be protected from potentially deformed children then surely she should be arguing for breeding controls in these areas of the country. I can`t see that happening, so it does shoot a rather large hole straight through that argument.

Take this particular case for instance, how much time and money has been wasted investigating this issue and bringing a prosecution? How much money will be wasted if the mother is given a custodial sentence? These resources could have been put to much better use if directed towards a different goal.

I think I`m perfectly entitled to describe some of the reactions in this thread as "knee-jerk" when you see descriptions such as "sickos" thrown around along with a bunch of spurious assumptions as to people's congitive processes in general simply on the grounds that two people committed incest. The argument that they wouldn`t care whether they conceived a child or not simply because they are people who engage in incest is perhaps one of the most tenuous conclusions I've seen expressed on this board.

cutting out all the chod, what you're saying is that there's nothing wrong with incest, and in my personal opinion that make's you sick and twisted, but, as you hold no value for anyone's personal opinion, that shouldn't offend you in the slightest.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by dr wadd

If both partners are consenting I don`t see that there is anything wrong with it in absolute terms. No-one is hurt, there are just two people getting it on in the privacy of their own home. At the end of the day, if two adults are consenting then the negative reactions to this incident are no different, and certainly no more valid, than similar reactions to inter-racial or homosexual relationships in past times.

You don't see anything wrong with a mother and son having sex?????

The argument about in-breeding holds no water as there are areas of the country where a lot of inbreeding is taking place through non-incestuous relationships due to close-knit communities that now have a limited gene-pool. If, to take Orangebird's argument, she needs to be protected from potentially deformed children then surely she should be arguing for breeding controls in these areas of the country. I can`t see that happening, so it does shoot a rather large hole straight through that argument.

Go to a middle eastern country (Iran is a damn good example) - the argument about in-breeding holds water there. Have you actually seen a child/baby that's a result of it's mother being it's uncles sisters brothers etc etc etc. It's heartbreaking, and tantamount to abuse IMO. I don't need protecting - people who think this is OK need protecting from themselves...

Take this particular case for instance, how much time and money has been wasted investigating this issue and bringing a prosecution? How much money will be wasted if the mother is given a custodial sentence? These resources could have been put to much better use if directed towards a different goal.

Showing the general public that sexual abuse will not be tolerated is a very worthwhile way to use resources.

I think I`m perfectly entitled to describe some of the reactions in this thread as "knee-jerk" when you see descriptions such as "sickos" thrown around along with a bunch of spurious assumptions as to people's congitive processes in general simply on the grounds that two people committed incest. The argument that they wouldn`t care whether they conceived a child or not simply because they are people who engage in incest is perhaps one of the most tenuous conclusions I've seen expressed on this board.

IMO, having sex with your mother/father/brother/sister is sick. Hence the use of words sicko, sick puppy etc. Tenuous my argument maybe, but a lot of people here seemed to agree, and I'm sticking to it. If you can't get your head around the fact that not only is it illegal, but just downright wrong to shag a member of your immediate family, then it personally doesn't bode well that you have any sensible (regardless of how many big words you use... ) conclusions about anything else in life either.

OFF TOPIC: Dr Wadd why don't you just put all your information into 1 reply and not 3? It floods the topic.

[basa]

OK time for me to dive in !!

The situation here has nothing whatsoever to do with adults or consent. It has to do with incest - which is illegal (at least in the UK). Morality is not the issue or whether government have the right to legislate.

Incest has been outlawed because, I think, of the genetic problems that might arise and also, as mentioned earlier, to prevent 'grooming'. IMO quite rightly. Anyway it is illegal and as such these two committed a crime in the eyes of UK law.

I recall a while ago about a man (in Germany ?) who advertised for someone to kill him. There was obvious consent, but IIRC the killer was arrested, tried and sentenced for a crime. I await to be corrected, but I think that was the outcome.

With regard to Incog & OB's comments, I know that if the roles were reversed and the father had had sex with his daughter, the father would most likely be still locked up now ! The law and society in general would have viewed it as a much more serious offence - even with apparent consent.