lunatics.....

[orangebird]

FFS - !!!!!!!!!!!!! . Get our troops out of there and leave the bloody savages to it...

[Xaccers]

And what about the majority who aren't "savages"?

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

And what about the majority who aren't "savages"?

Let George Jnr deal with it. It's his baby......

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by orangebird

Let George Jnr deal with it. It's his baby......

Ours too.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Ours too.

Only because our illustrious leader was too bloody spineless to tell Dubya to sod off. Show me the WoMD, and I'll eat my hat, become Dubyas favourite fan, and vote Labour at the next election.....

[Paul K]

Originally Posted by orangebird

Only because our illustrious leader was too bloody spineless to tell Dubya to sod off. Show me the WoMD, and I'll eat my hat, become Dubyas favourite fan, and vote Labour at the next election.....

Weapons of Mass desruction since you asked.....
You have to wonder how long it will take for the area to settle down so that the people there can start leading a more normal life again ... and how many lives it will cost in the mean time.

[Xaccers]

People often assume that after Germany surrendered, everyone there lived in peace and happiness freely accepting the new controls over it.
To bad that wasn't the case, with allied troops being attacked and killed.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by orangebird

Only because our illustrious leader was too bloody spineless to tell Dubya to sod off. Show me the WoMD, and I'll eat my hat, become Dubyas favourite fan, and vote Labour at the next election.....

Ah, too bad it would make you vote labour, other wise I'd have shown you

Seriously though, if you believed that the only reason we went was because of WMD's then you weren't paying attention at the time.

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by orangebird

Only because our illustrious leader was too bloody spineless to tell Dubya to sod off. Show me the WoMD, and I'll eat my hat, become Dubyas favourite fan, and vote Labour at the next election.....

Actually, TB was the one that went to GB and made a big point of saying that the UK would help. I dont think GB could care less whether the UK helped or not!

Anyway, we assisted in causing the mess its a bit unfair to then just pull out because it turns nasty.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Ah, too bad it would make you vote labour, other wise I'd have shown you

Seriously though, if you believed that the only reason we went was because of WMD's then you weren't paying attention at the time.

I'm sure I was - please enlighten me with the real reason for the war?

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by orangebird

I'm sure I was - please enlighten me with the real reason for the war?

Everyone knows the REAL reason, it begins with "OI" and ends with "L", actually I lie, that's the reason the USA decided to invade, the reason the UK went to war is because Tony Blair is a gutless w*nkpiece who didn't want to end up being tarred with the Axis of Evil brush that the US government painted France & Germany with when they decided (along with a majority of the populations of every other country in the world) that perhaps invading Iraq wasn't the best course of action.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by orangebird

I'm sure I was - please enlighten me with the real reason for the war?

I can't remember the resolution numbers but.

A UN resolution was passed ordering Iraq to let in Weapons Inpsectors (weapons inspectors had not been allowed in by Iraq since 1998/99) The resolution warned Iraq of consequences if they did not comply.

Iraq did not comply and therefore suffered the consequences.

A simplistic version but essentially correct.

Originally Posted by orangebird

I'm sure I was - please enlighten me with the real reason for the war?

The Bush family legacy of Saddam still in power after Gulf War 1, and OIL

As far as I am aware there was a report done into the case for going to war on evidence of WMD's.
It blamed everyone equally. That is to say we went to war looking for WMD's there are None.
So From that i can deduce that TB commited UK forces to a phoney war.

As it happens there may have been a little benefit from removing saddam from power, but then again, it looks we have another Afghanistan on our hands where warring factions are fighting to gain control over some areas.

So yes we have captured a dangerous man.
But we have killed plenty of innocent people, caused deaths of countless soldiers by going to war on false pretences.
Completely de-stabalised the Country.
increased the risk of terrorism on our own peoples both at home and abroad.
We also now have to face an "enemy" we dont know, at least with saddam he knew he would get a kicking if he was stupid enough to challenge.

For what?
Well the UK isnt going to get a reduction in fuel prices from cheaper oil, so I'm guessing that only benefit was getting cheaper oil for America.

So tell me, what are the benefits of going to war?
And befroe you say freedom for the Iraqi people, when they are not safe in their own homes because of warring factions then there is NO freedom. They are worse off in many ways.

Originally Posted by Pierre

I can't remember the resolution numbers but.

A UN resolution was passed ordering Iraq to let in Weapons Inpsectors (weapons inspectors had not been allowed in by Iraq since 1998/99) The resolution warned Iraq of consequences if they did not comply.

Iraq did not comply and therefore suffered the consequences.

A simplistic version but essentially correct.

The war had nothing to do with the UN or indeed NATO. It was sanctioned by neither party. The war was essentially the US, the UK and few other countries declaring war on iraq without direction from NATO or the UN