Mum had sex with son

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by scastle

IIRC in cases like this, the government (in our country, and presumably the United States and Canada) often creates laws to represent the morality of the time. Therefore, in this case, morality controls the law, not the other way around.

Anyway, I haven't read any bill of rights, but I am sure that having sex with your mother is not one of them.

Which is why there exist stupid laws in the United States and Canada. Laws that make sex toys illegal, for example. Laws that make gay sex illegal.

This is unwarranted. The government has no authority in the bedroom and no authority on morality.

[Chimaera]

So - would you sleep with your mother or father Jerrek?
Because that's what this amounts to.
And I believe I read in one of the earlier links that there had been 'previous abuse issues' or words to that effect with other members of the family - so IMHO it does amount to abuse.

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Which is why there exist stupid laws in the United States and Canada. Laws that make sex toys illegal, for example. Laws that make gay sex illegal.

This is unwarranted. The government has no authority in the bedroom and no authority on morality.

Which law in Canada prohibits the sale of sex toys? And which law prevent's adults over 18 indulging in anal sex?

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Age_of_consent#A-D

(scroll down to Canada)

edit: my mistake, it only mentions anal sex, not gay sex

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by Paul

This is nothing to do with two consenting adults having a relationship Jerrek so don't even try to drag same sex relationships into this argument.

Yes it has. The mom was 45+ and the boy was 18+. Two adults. And, as far as I know, the boy consented.

So in your eyes its okay for a father to coerce his daughter into believing that a relationship with him is ok and therefor he should be allowed to sleep with her and maybe get her pregnant?
Years of behavioural shaping can lead to people having opinions that ordinarily they may not have had.
Cults have been able to lead their members to believe anything they say through various means for years, does that mean that the cults are right and the rest of us are wrong?
Just because this subject touches on an area that you believe in strongly for your own reasons it does not mean that you can justify what the mother did.

I'm not justifying anything. I'm merely stating that government has no business legislating morality!

Or are you saying they should? Maybe we should defintely imprison everyone that had sex with a sibling. Right? Maybe we should go a bit further. Imprison everyone that had sex with a same sex person? Maybe further? Imprison everyone that committed adultary?

Where does it stop? Where the majority decides it stops? So African countries that execute adulterers are vindicated?

[Paul K]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Which is why there exist stupid laws in the United States and Canada. Laws that make sex toys illegal, for example. Laws that make gay sex illegal.

This is unwarranted. The government has no authority in the bedroom and no authority on morality.

Jerrek why do you keep bringing same sex relationships into this thread? It has nothing to do with the topic and has no place in this discussion. The discussion is about a mother sleeping with her own child, not about two consenting adults taking part in a relationship. The two people in question already had a relationship, a mother-son relationship, they were not two consenting adults who had just met, became friends and then decided that the next logical step that they wanted to take was to sleep together
Keep to the topic and if you want a debate on same sex relationships start your own thread

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by Bifta

Which law in Canada prohibits the sale of sex toys?

Not in Canada--Alabama:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...s/sex_toys_ban

And which law prevent's adults over 18 indulging in anal sex?

Until a year ago, it was illegal in many U.S. states to engage in such activities.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Chimaera

so IMHO it does amount to abuse.

If a 30 year old man and his 50 year old mother, out of the blue, decide to concent to intercourse, where is the abuse, who is being abused, and who is abusing?
Why would it be abuse between close relatives, but not when a 30 year old sleeps with a 50 year old consenting stranger?

Just out of interest, what do we do in cases where two people marry and have kids, then later find out they are siblings?
I know it's happened several times.


And Jerrek/Russ/Towny/Bex/anyone, can you tell me what the bible says about incest?

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by Chimaera

So - would you sleep with your mother or father Jerrek?
Because that's what this amounts to.

Really?

So because I advocate smokers' rights to smoke, I'm a smoker.

Because I advocate a person's right to commit suicide, I'm going to commit suicide.

Because I advocate a person's right to sleep with 500 people, I'm going to sleep with 500 people.

Get real. Separate the issue from personal life.

[zovat]

ok - I was going to stay out of this discussion - but I will instead make this one statement.

To me, this is morally reprehensible, it is also illegal.

I am not in favour of the government forcing a moral code on the populous, however laws can be changed if sufficient people wish for it to change.

Drawing comparisons with other religions and other laws is a very poor substitute for debate. The fact is that this is in this country, and this is now.

I may not agree with laws that other countries have, but I do respect and abide by those laws when in those countries.

Jerrek - I really don't care what you find acceptable, as I am sure you don't care what I find acceptable.
You can try to goad a response, or upset my moral code - but I have a very simple attitude - I may disagree with it - I may even find it morally reprehensible - but if it is legal, and does not affect me, my family, or innocent people, then crack on son, not my concern.

As to punishment - two adults - one act - therefore two people should be prosecuted.

As always - my opinions - your's may be different, but mine will remain the same.

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by Paul

The discussion is about a mother sleeping with her own child, not about two consenting adults taking part in a relationship.

So the 18 year old boy, an adult in your country, isn't an adult? And he didn't consent?

[Chimaera]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

If a 30 year old man and his 50 year old mother, out of the blue, decide to concent to intercourse, where is the abuse, who is being abused, and who is abusing?
Why would it be abuse between close relatives, but not when a 30 year old sleeps with a 50 year old consenting stranger?

Just out of interest, what do we do in cases where two people marry and have kids, then later find out they are siblings?
I know it's happened several times.


And Jerrek/Russ/Towny/Bex/anyone, can you tell me what the bible says about incest?

But he wasn't 30 - he was 18 - still young enough to be impressionable and led by his mother! Or impressionable enough not to say no. And the mother should not be taking advantage of her son's lack of life experience in that way.

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Not in Canada--Alabama:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...s/sex_toys_ban



Until a year ago, it was illegal in many U.S. states to engage in such activities.

Firstly you don't live in Alabama, you live on Ontario, in Canada, not the USA, secondly you said the laws existed, now you're saying it was only illegal up until a year ago, thirdly with regard to Canada (you remember, that place where you DO actually live, not to be confused with the USA), I quote

Canadian law now permits anal sex by consenting parties above the age of 18, provided no more than two people are present. Its sodomy laws were repealed in the 1960s by Pierre Trudeau who famously stated that "the government has no place in the bedrooms of the nation."

It mentions nothing about which sex's should be involved so I fail to see what the hell you're complaining about, if you want some action, do it in your own country where it's legal, surely it's a lot less hassle than travelling all the way down to Alabama?

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Chimaera

But he wasn't 30 - he was 18 - still young enough to be impressionable and led by his mother! Or impressionable enough not to say no. And the mother should not be taking advantage of her son's lack of life experience in that way.

to that , i just cannot believe jerrek is saying it is ok , it beggars belief
will you answer the question , would you do it if you find it acceptable

[Paul K]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

So the 18 year old boy, an adult in your country, isn't an adult? And he didn't consent?

Ooh look we are going to "play the crop the quote and take its' context away" game are we? I'm sure we can all play that game if we want but some of us can string a coherent and intelligent sentence together without the need to stoop to that level

(Off shopping now so feel free to mis-quote some more of my posts if it makes you all warm and calm inside )

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

to that , i just cannot believe jerrek is saying it is ok , it beggars belief
will you answer the question , would you do it if you find it acceptable

Are you unable to separate the issue from my personal life? I find it disgusting and wrong, but, I do not believe government should make laws against it. Get it?