Pope Warns Feminists

**Maggy** · 01-08-2004, 13:10

My attention has been drawn towards this article here

And this one

Seems to me a bunch of elderly men in long dresses who are totally celibate and have no children cannot comprehend the realities of life for those in the 21st century.

Luckily I'm not even a christian let alone Catholic so I can ignore this.What effect will this have for catholic women and their partners especially those in developing nations? I doubt it will help those who face hunger and disease every day.

Incog.

kronas · 01-08-2004, 13:16

this bores me when religious leaders come out with all sorts of nonsense.

men and women are not the same, biologically directly or indirectly!!!!!

have they actually been around women ?

ZrByte · 01-08-2004, 13:33

It intriegues me the way the value birth of new life above anything else, you would think there was some type of crisis and the world needed repopulating or something. Instead its quite the opposite, the world is overpopulated and the birth rates could do with being lowered for at least a few generations.

Its also the way they word womens charactoristics, they basicly say she is a walking incubator wich is designed to create new life and care for the life around her, by life around her I suspect they mean her husband and children (In that order).

Lets face it, Religous leaders making statements about gender roles is like Micheal Jackson making a statement about a normal life. Niether have a clue how either functions so they should keep thier mouths shut.

Russ · 01-08-2004, 14:33

Although I agree in principle of the dangers of 'over-doing' feminism (ie becoming adversaries of men) there are certainly better ways of expressing it than this. And why are they drawing comparisons to the Virgin Mary? She just played one major part in the Bible, there is NO mention (implied or misunderstood) anywhere in it that women are to be like her in any way, shape or form.

Bifta · 01-08-2004, 14:39

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Although I agree in principle of the dangers of 'over-doing' feminism (ie becoming adversaries of men) there are certainly better ways of expressing it than this. And why are they drawing comparisons to the Virgin Mary? She just played one major part in the Bible, there is NO mention (implied or misunderstood) anywhere in it that women are to be like her in any way, shape or form.

Ephesians 5:22

"Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord."

Russ · 01-08-2004, 14:40

So how does that relate to Mary? Her name is not mentioned in that passage at all.

Bifta · 01-08-2004, 14:45

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So how does that relate to Mary? Her name is not mentioned in that passage at all.

It doesn't it's more aimed at the thread in general, sorry, shouldn't have quoted you. Hasten to add though, I don't agree with it in the slightest.

Russ · 01-08-2004, 14:48

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It doesn't it's more aimed at the thread in general, sorry, shouldn't have quoted you. Hasten to add though, I don't agree with it in the slightest.

Neither do I really - this is a part of the Bible that I'm not 100% I have understood correctly. Yes it says wives (and not just *women*) are to be submissive to their men but the general inequality is not something I think Jesus would have been happy with, what with God loving us all equally.

Maybe there's something in the Pope's statement that I've missed but to me it looks like another occasion where Catholicism has come out with a statement which perhaps could have been worded and clarified better.

Bifta · 01-08-2004, 14:50

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Maybe there's something in the Pope's statement that I've missed but to me it looks like another occasion where Catholicism has come out with a statement which perhaps could have been worded and clarified better.

Absolutely, and as usual catholics in developed nations will not take a blind bit of notice

**Maggy** · 01-08-2004, 16:53

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Absolutely, and as usual catholics in developed nations will not take a blind bit of notice

Yes it will be the under developed nations that will probably have to deal with the implications as they are passed on through their 'parish' priest.

kronas · 01-08-2004, 17:42

actually i was watching the news when i spotted a snippet about the 90% catholic population of croatia, apparently the church is following the popes 'visions' and they are basically impeading on the education of youngsters, they are telling them that HIV prevention is not possible with condoms, scare tactics including crude videos shown on abortion, we are talking primary school upwards pupils.....

hell even businesses are not allowed to open on sunday!!!
thanks to them.

Russ · 01-08-2004, 17:45

Thanks to Catholics?

kronas · 01-08-2004, 17:52

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Thanks to Catholics?

yeh, the church and state is not seperate over there, the government basically follows what the chruch says when it comes to 'life alterations' its wierd but true.

Bifta · 01-08-2004, 17:57

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Yes it will be the under developed nations that will probably have to deal with the implications as they are passed on through their 'parish' priest.

Unfortunately it's the slightly .. 'dubious' priests that are normally sent away, the one's that they won't dare let function in normal society, tbh, I get more and more disillusioned with catholicism every day, it's such an antiquated religion, I'm going to start my own! And I promise not to touch a box of matches.

**Maggy** · 01-08-2004, 19:50

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Originally Posted by Bifta

Unfortunately it's the slightly .. 'dubious' priests that are normally sent away, the one's that they won't dare let function in normal society, tbh, I get more and more disillusioned with catholicism every day, it's such an antiquated religion, I'm going to start my own! And I promise not to touch a box of matches.

You could always become a Jedi Knight.Somehow it makes more sense.

Incog.