Jehova's Witness - Confused.....

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

Now - as some of you may know from my postings I normally TRY to avoid religion in my posts, But I have a question which someone on here may know the answer to.

First my 'history' with regard to the question....

A couple of years ago I allowed some Jehovas Witnesses in to have a discussion. Anyway to cut a very long story short I had to ask them to leave in the end as they started saying I should be dead and am an abomination... Amongst other things (they got VERY vocal before they left).

I am a diabetic on insulin and apprently this offended them something chronic.

What I'd like to know is this...

Is this a standard reply/action that I should meet when meeting someone from this faith (which to be honest I've avoided doing since as it upset me quite a bit then and now) - and if it IS normal for that fait what do THEY do if someone of their faith needs insulin?

If this is not normal then fine it must just be the local members that are/were doing it. I'd just like to know what I did that upset them so much.

I'm NOT trying to start an argument over the religion - just find out some answers.

If you'd rather PM me with an answer then that's fine.

Cheers in advance.

I have probably mentioned this before in one of the "Religion" threads.

I have a relative who used to be a JW, she didn't believe in most forms of medication or blood transfusion etc, she criticised anyone who had received this sort of treatment and said they should stick to natural methods.

Until her daughter was seriously ill and needed treatment. (I think it was a blood transfusion) She then left the JW's because it suited her to change her views to save her daughters life, and to think of all tose hypocritical years when she was preaching her rubbish to others.

I find JW's, Mormons and all those other wierd sects are nothing more than a nuisance and timewasters when they knock my door. They will not take a subtle hint that you are not interested and I have resorted to being very rude on a few occassions to get rid of them. I honestly think they are brainwashed as they have no personal opinion of their own.

Note: I do not criticise people who believe in religion in general, it's just the wierd ones. We have a guy in work who is a JW and he is the most pig ignorant unhelpful person I have ever come across. Funny though he is always preaching about helping your neighbour and how we should assist deprived people in other countries!

[Xaccers]

One of the things of the evangelising is that they feel they are saving you.
Now if someone was hanging off a cliff, would you listen to them if they said they didn't want you to save them, or would you keep on trying to pull them up?

Originally Posted by Xaccers

One of the things of the evangelising is that they feel they are saving you.
Now if someone was hanging off a cliff, would you listen to them if they said they didn't want you to save them, or would you keep on trying to pull them up?

Thats a bit extreme,

[bigitup_j]

hitler killed thousands of jehovahs witnesses!
hitler was evil - god is not evil!

[bigitup_j]

Here you go:

well i know a few things about this topic...
1. Jehovah is God's name, just that Christianity want to get rid of it because, well no reason really...they just do. Jehovah is within the Dead Sea scrolls, therefore that IS God's name - the Christian God.
2. In hebrew, they have no vowels and some letters can be one of two in english. y and j are the same in hebrew. jehovah has been widely accepted in english as how to translate God's name from Hebrew into English.
3. Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs) do not take blood because it is a direct comment from God, not to take blood. either eating or transfusing. JW's follow God's law and commands set in the Bible. But other treatments, not involving blood are accepted. In fact, JW's have pushed for alternatives from blood transfusions, which have proved far more successful that blood transfusions †“ which has many risks!
4. There are no sects of Jehovahââ‚à ‚¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s witness, only one. You either are a JW or not, simple.
5. JW preach to people, because Jesus said to do that when he was on earth. Christians are meant to imitate Jesus, and Jesus preached about Godââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s kingdom and the hope for the future †“ so JWs do the same. JWs donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t force things down your throat, they visit again and again, because people do have a change of heart and listen to their message.
6. No body knows when the world will end. Only God.
7. Only 144,000 people go to heaven. Others have the hope of living on a paradise earth in the future, where you wonââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t be sick, and you will never die, because humans will be made perfect again †“ when God removes all wickedness.

Of course many people do not want to listen, for whatever reason, and that is fair enough. JWs only follow what the Bible says, and try to imitate Jesus.

please, ask more questions - i'll be happy to answer them for you

[bbwannabe]

Originally Posted by bigitup_j

Here you go:

well i know a few things about this topic...
1. Jehovah is God's name, just that Christianity want to get rid of it because, well no reason really...they just do. Jehovah is within the Dead Sea scrolls, therefore that IS God's name - the Christian God.
2. In hebrew, they have no vowels and some letters can be one of two in english. y and j are the same in hebrew. jehovah has been widely accepted in english as how to translate God's name from Hebrew into English.
3. Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs) do not take blood because it is a direct comment from God, not to take blood. either eating or transfusing. JW's follow God's law and commands set in the Bible. But other treatments, not involving blood are accepted. In fact, JW's have pushed for alternatives from blood transfusions, which have proved far more successful that blood transfusions †“ which has many risks!
4. There are no sects of Jehovahââ‚à ‚¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s witness, only one. You either are a JW or not, simple.
5. JW preach to people, because Jesus said to do that when he was on earth. Christians are meant to imitate Jesus, and Jesus preached about Godââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s kingdom and the hope for the future †“ so JWs do the same. JWs donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t force things down your throat, they visit again and again, because people do have a change of heart and listen to their message.
6. No body knows when the world will end. Only God.
7. Only 144,000 people go to heaven. Others have the hope of living on a paradise earth in the future, where you wonââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t be sick, and you will never die, because humans will be made perfect again †“ when God removes all wickedness.

Of course many people do not want to listen, for whatever reason, and that is fair enough. JWs only follow what the Bible says, and try to imitate Jesus.

please, ask more questions - i'll be happy to answer them for you

wow big summary lol. Isn't there a commandment in New Testament to treat others as you would like to be treated (might be just a common saying i can't rmemeber). Would JWs appreciate us preaching to them instead of the other way around.

[zoombini]

We get to give blood & have operations etc.

[Bex]

Originally Posted by bigitup_j

Here you go:

well i know a few things about this topic...
1. Jehovah is God's name, just that Christianity want to get rid of it because, well no reason really...they just do. Jehovah is within the Dead Sea scrolls, therefore that IS God's name - the Christian God.
2. In hebrew, they have no vowels and some letters can be one of two in english. y and j are the same in hebrew. jehovah has been widely accepted in english as how to translate God's name from Hebrew into English.
3. Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs) do not take blood because it is a direct comment from God, not to take blood. either eating or transfusing. JW's follow God's law and commands set in the Bible. But other treatments, not involving blood are accepted. In fact, JW's have pushed for alternatives from blood transfusions, which have proved far more successful that blood transfusions †“ which has many risks!
4. There are no sects of Jehovahââ‚à ‚¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s witness, only one. You either are a JW or not, simple.
5. JW preach to people, because Jesus said to do that when he was on earth. Christians are meant to imitate Jesus, and Jesus preached about Godââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s kingdom and the hope for the future †“ so JWs do the same. JWs donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t force things down your throat, they visit again and again, because people do have a change of heart and listen to their message.
6. No body knows when the world will end. Only God.
7. Only 144,000 people go to heaven. Others have the hope of living on a paradise earth in the future, where you wonââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t be sick, and you will never die, because humans will be made perfect again †“ when God removes all wickedness.

Of course many people do not want to listen, for whatever reason, and that is fair enough. JWs only follow what the Bible says, and try to imitate Jesus.

please, ask more questions - i'll be happy to answer them for you

1 and 2. yep i agree
3. where in the bible is this direct command?
4. so your telling me their is no variety on the interpretation which leads to people seeing things in slightly different ways?
5. i grant you that Jesus preached and some religions think we should be more christ-like. but at the same time if people have showed they have other religious convictions or simply dont want to listen, turning up again and again can have a negative effect.
6. granted
7. wheres the evidence for this?

[bbwannabe]

IMO no matter how clear you make a message, someone else somewhere sometime will misinterpretate it or interpretate it different. Anyone who reads the bible can potentially interpretate it in many ways.

[bigitup_j]

i'll get back to you on points raised. asap

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by bigitup_j

Here you go:
3. Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs) do not take blood because it is a direct comment from God, not to take blood. either eating or transfusing. JW's follow God's law and commands set in the Bible. But other treatments, not involving blood are accepted. In fact, JW's have pushed for alternatives from blood transfusions, which have proved far more successful that blood transfusions †“ which has many risks!

So what about the people in my particular case? - I never 'took' any blood - just insulin. Is/was it just these people who were wrong? - not the religion?

[ZrByte]

Originally Posted by Bex

3. where in the bible is this direct command?

Its in Ant & Dec III - "And God said thout shall not visit your local A&E for a Transfusion, and all will be well."

Its somehwere near the back of the book trust me

[Mal]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Just get him to point out the similarities between their god's plan and hitlers plan

Can you explain that please?

[CaKe]

Originally Posted by bigitup_j

5. JW preach to people, because Jesus said to do that when he was on earth. Christians are meant to imitate Jesus, and Jesus preached about Godââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s kingdom and the hope for the future †“ so JWs do the same. JWs donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t force things down your throat, they visit again and again, because people do have a change of heart and listen to their message.

I was told once that all you had to do to stop them visiting was tell them politely, and they'd not come back.

As for politely not forcing things down your throat - tell that to the group of 3 that knocked on my door. I opened it, said politely that I wasn't interested, and that I was very busy. They then informed me that they were "saving me from evil" and that I "should make time" for them. After I informed them of my beliefs, and mentioned a few well-known points of theirs, they told me that I was evil. My red hair was a sign of the devil. They must come in and rescue me. Again, declining politely, telling them they'd upset me, and would they mind leaving me to it if I was that evil, one of the men put his foot in my door so I couldn't shut it. After asking him to remove it, and themselves, from my doorstep, the woman leaned forward, put her hands on my shoulders and started blessing me. I stamped on the guy's foot, told him in no uncertain terms to f-off, and called the police.

Funny, but they never came back to my door Just as well, because I'm not sure I'd want to be part of any religion that tried to force their way into an 18 year olds house.

The "problem" with the Bible, is that it can be interpreted in so many different ways. What one person reads into a sentence won't be the same as someone else reading the same one. I don't think Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong for believing what they do, it's their choice and who am I to judge. They just need to learn to "recruit"* properly.

*not meaning to offend anyone, just can't think of another way of saying it!

[bigitup_j]

Jehovah's Witnesses never force things down your throat.
if you've had an experience where that is the case, then i very much doubt they were JWs. it's not something we do - we are not rude, and if people really do not want to listen, then we leave.
btw. we do not recuit (spelling?), we convey a message and if people like the message, then they can have a free Bible study and possibly become Jehovah's Witnesses.

but, we don't force beliefs onto people. we have a message and want to tell it to everyone, because we believe it and the message is good and we want to share it with everyone!