Star Trek : Enterprise

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Graham

Trouble with that idea is that we never heard "We are V'Ger of Borg" etc and, had the Borg had the technology that V'Ger had in the film we would never have heard (and gods, do I wish we had never heard!) "Sleep, Data..."

But V'ger wasn't borg when they found it, it was just a machine, from a machine world where the organics had long since died off.
Then V'ger assimilated the bald bint (or was it Russ in drag?) and the young guy, went back through the wormhole to the machine planet, where the machines went "ooo this organic stuff is cool, lets go get some" and the borg were born.

[ZrByte]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

But V'ger wasn't borg when they found it, it was just a machine, from a machine world where the organics had long since died off.
Then V'ger assimilated the bald bint (or was it Russ in drag?) and the young guy, went back through the wormhole to the machine planet, where the machines went "ooo this organic stuff is cool, lets go get some" and the borg were born.

Its an interesting idea, and to my knowledge the origins of the borg have never been explained fully, though wherent the borg allready thousands of years old when all this happened with v'ger?? unless he is supposed to have traveled back in time aswel.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by ZrByte

Its an interesting idea, and to my knowledge the origins of the borg have never been explained fully, though wherent the borg allready thousands of years old when all this happened with v'ger?? unless he is supposed to have traveled back in time aswel.

Wormholes can traverse time and space, as shown in Voyager when they find a WH into Romulan history

Ressurection is a great read, well worth tracking down.
In my opinion it's better than First Contact, but then, without First Contact being told, would we have Enterprise?

[Marge]

From one of my fave sites:

Borg
Who?

Origin: Delta Quadrant. A cybernetic life-form thousands of years old which is part organic, part artificial life. They have advanced well beyond Federation science, unknown prior to a confrontation with the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-D arranged by the entity known as "Q" circa stardate 42761 ( 2365) some 7,000 light-years past explored Federation space in the Delta Quadrant.

[kronas]

good news season 4 is to happen, the bad news is UPN is signalling that it will be the 'final ride' for the enterprise.

Fansite SyFy Porta reports that, according to sources at Paramount, Enterprise producers Rick Berman and Brannon Braga were told to replace the show's long story arcs with shorter, two- and three-episode arcs, and to plan to make the fourth season finale work as the show's series finale, too.

http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,14150,00.html

[Xaccers]

Fansite SyFy Porta reports that, according to sources at Paramount, Enterprise producers Rick Berman and Brannon Braga were told to replace the show's long story arcs with shorter, two- and three-episode arcs, and to plan to make the fourth season finale work as the show's series finale, too.

Oh joy, so they don't think trekkies can cope with things like storyline and plot development?

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

I still prefer Bill Shatners idea for episode 8 (Star Trek Ressurection)
Turned out Kirk made the borg in star trek the motionless picture
Sweet irony there.
He also does die alone, as he predicted.

For more on Shatners ideas on a new star trek series please refer to the follwing site...

www.bringbackkirk.com

Download the trailer if you like, and be VERY thankful it's never going to happen.

I've given up watching it.Boring!!

And no I don't suffer from low or poor concentration.I just can't stand the way they mess with the continuity.I was hoping that it would avoid all of the McGuffinisms of recent ST series.But NO! we have time travel.We have some mysterious species THAT MERITS NO MENTION IN THE ORIGINAL ST STORIES and yet have SUCH a devastating effect on the earth ALSO NOT MENTIONED IN ANY OF THE OTHER ST SERIES.If they had to do a prequel series why couldn't they stay within the limits of the known history of the ST universe?It's bad,sloppy scriptwriting and a very patent attempt to carry on a cash cow.However THIS ST fan of over 30 years is NOT fooled.

Incog.

Rumour has it that they have only santioned 10 episodes of Season 4 - the rest will only get the go ahead if the ratings improve .....

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by Pem

Rumour has it that they have only santioned 10 episodes of Season 4 - the rest will only get the go ahead if the ratings improve .....

Not much chance of that happening - I think the new time slot will also help to kill it.

Anwyay, there are only so many ways that you can tell the same story.

[bob_builder]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

I've given up watching it.Boring!!

And no I don't suffer from low or poor concentration.I just can't stand the way they mess with the continuity.I was hoping that it would avoid all of the McGuffinisms of recent ST series.But NO! we have time travel.We have some mysterious species THAT MERITS NO MENTION IN THE ORIGINAL ST STORIES and yet have SUCH a devastating effect on the earth ALSO NOT MENTIONED IN ANY OF THE OTHER ST SERIES.If they had to do a prequel series why couldn't they stay within the limits of the known history of the ST universe?It's bad,sloppy scriptwriting and a very patent attempt to carry on a cash cow.However THIS ST fan of over 30 years is NOT fooled.

I am getting more and more convinced that with all this time travel (especially the last episode where Enterprise's offspring tried to stop the original Xindi probe) that Enterprise will end up with something happening (maybe the outcome of the temporal cold war) that will correct all the timelines to clean up the continuity issues.

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by bob_builder

I am getting more and more convinced that with all this time travel (especially the last episode where Enterprise's offspring tried to stop the original Xindi probe) that Enterprise will end up with something happening (maybe the outcome of the temporal cold war) that will correct all the timelines to clean up the continuity issues.

Yeah - like find the self-destruct button so the whole thing never happened

[ZrByte]

so while we are on the subject of sci-fi baddies & goodies and stupid plots, lets hear your favourite....
Baddie
Plot line
Goodie

and your least favourite....
baddie
plot line
goodie

Mine would have to be....
favourite....
Baddie - Shadows from Babylon 5, not only did they look cool but they looked scary and seemed rather evil (im talking the aliens themselves, not just the ships) see attatched pic to see what I mean

Plot line - Another B5 one, the Earth Civil War, main plot line for beggining of series 3 & the second half of series 4 of babylon 5

Goodie - Kosh from B5.


least favourite.....
baddie - That thing that thinks its God in ST:5 , and Sybok from the same film (allthough hes not actually a baddie, hes just misguided)

plot line - The original borg storyline, the one in TNG when Q moves them to the delta quadrant for a laugh (the borg are one fo my favorite bad guys though, I just really didnt like that episode)

goodie - Tough call between Sisko & Janeway


funny how all my fav SciFi moments are from B5 and all my least favourite are from Startrek, yet when they where both still airing I would have considdered myself more of a trekie then a B5'er (though I have always said that B5 had a more realistic outlook of the future, even if it is a more depressing outlook)

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

Yeah - like find the self-destruct button so the whole thing never happened

hmmm:

then they woke up and it was all a dream... isn't that how an average piece of creative writing produced by classes of seven-year-olds usually finish up?

[philip.j.fry]

Originally Posted by towny

hmmm:

then they woke up and it was all a dream... isn't that how an average piece of creative writing produced by classes of seven-year-olds usually finish up?

Sunset Beach and Crossroads ended that way