School helped secret abortion

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by orangebird

(tried to rep but need to spread it around...

Done......

Originally Posted by orangebird

Holy crap. Now the mother's wanting to sue the school for not telling her.... not quite sure what legal grounds she has to rely on there??? Money money money...

If she was really so cheesed of she should be campaining for a change in the law, not persuing the school in court for doing what was legally correct, and what the girl requested.

And the father of the baby was 13!!!!!!!!!

At the risk of sounding callous, I think the girl made the best decision.

Agree totally

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by orangebird

Holy crap. Now the mother's wanting to sue the school for not telling her.... not quite sure what legal grounds she has to rely on there??? Money money money...

If she was really so cheesed of she should be campaining for a change in the law, not persuing the school in court for doing what was legally correct, and what the girl requested.

And the father of the baby was 13!!!!!!!!!

At the risk of sounding callous, I think the girl made the best decision.

I agree totally OB.

Regarding suing the school. I don't agree the mum should sue the school. Partly because they have limited funds, so if they pay any money out to her then the other children will indirectly suffer (less money for books and so on) and partly because, we, as a society seem to be following the American model of society (automatically sue somebody if they do wrong).

What I mean by this is illustrated by something I read in a book. Basically the gist of it was that if something goes wrong in America, the Americans look for someone to blame (sue). If something goes wrong in Japan, the Japanese look to find out what went wrong, and look for a way to prevent it happening again. I happen to think the latter is the better example to follow.

Dam right we live in a totally selfish environments mainly stirred up by the media which paint the picture that we live in a country where everybody else is out to get you. People think that while they are alright every where else is not.

Originally Posted by zovat

It would appear (to me anyway) that the more we find out about the mother, the more I understand why the daughter may not have felt she could talk to her about this issue.

I am only reading between the lines, and basing my OPINIONS on what I can glean about the personalities involved from the comments in the press, but none the less :

[Hypothsis]

14 year old girl and 13! year old boy get a bit too involved in human biology practicals, either through bad judgement (no - we don't need a condom we're both new to this) or bad luck (bloody condoms - never 100% reliable) they girl end up pregant.

She loves her parents, and knows they love her, but feels that she has let them down, and they may well disown her if they find out.

She talks to councillors at school, who give her un-biased advice, and support her when she requests that they don't tell the parents.

She decides to have an abortion, and the local NHS trust have the usual meetings and discussions with her, and decide that she has thought this through and is aware of te consequences of her choice.

Mum finds out and goes ballistic - she is feeling hurt, because her child did not feel that she could talk to her about this. She always thought that her daughter could talk to her about anything.

Mum chats to the daughter, and the daughter realises that her mum would support her, and that she could have kept the child, without losing the loving family she had.

Mum/daughter contact the hosital, they tell her she should be ok to keep the baby, as the process is not complete.

Next day, the hospital say "sorry - we got it wrong - the child cannot be saved, you must continue with the abortion"

Mum/daughter both absolutely gutted, Mum is even angrier because she feels that her 14 year old daughter should not be able to have an abortion without her consent (legally incorrect, but this is a hurt mother we are talking about).

Mum decides to get as much publicity as she can about this case, as she feels that this should not be able to happen in todays caring society. (still all hypothetical here)

The press prints the story, and it makes national headlines.

Mum/daughter gets loads of sympathy from the public, and mum thinks - If I sue the school, maybe this will never happen again - I can't change the law, but I can make schools/health authorities too scared of litigation to do this again.

[/Hypothesis]

The thing with all this is that we still do not know whether the mother forced the girl to change her mind, or whether the girl wanted to keep the baby, but thought her parents would not support her, or even worse, throw her out.

We also have not heard anything from the father(not the 13 year old one) - so we don't know how he feels about all this.

There are too many unknowns, and too many moral issues for anyone to really debate this unemotionaly. As I stated before, the actions carried out were legally correct, but emotion never follows the law.

[Hypothesis 2]

What if they had told the parents, against the girls wishes, and the parents turned out to be violent, and beat her (possibly causing the loss of the baby and permanent damage).

would we then be debating why the parents were told - against the wishes of the girl?

[/Hypothesis 2]

To me it is a sad situation - as I and others have said before - when a girl feels she cannot talk to her parents about something as important as this.

I just hope that when I have children they will be able to talk to me about anything.

(for the record - no kids yet, working on it. have 2 nieces who are also my god-children, and whom I love dearly and would protect with my life if necessary)

[iadom]

Originally Posted by towny

or revenge ... although the thought of £ÃÆ ’‚£Ãà¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£ must be at the back of her mind somewhere. I wonder if the idea was put to her by some ambitious no-win-no-fee shyster?

Me,waits for that slimeball Max Clifford to appear on the scene.

[zovat]

Originally Posted by iadom

Me,waits for that slimeball Max Clifford to appear on the scene.

Unfortunately he has probably already been in contact

I would hate to be him - this family have already gone through a great deal of pain, and IF he is/gets involved he will convince them to drag all the misery into the public eye for a chance of a big payoff.

I really wonder how he sleeps at night...

Originally Posted by zovat

Unfortunately he has probably already been in contact

I would hate to be him - this family have already gone through a great deal of pain, and IF he is/gets involved he will convince them to drag all the misery into the public eye for a chance of a big payoff.

I really wonder how he sleeps at night...

On top of a large pile of cash.....

[zovat]

Originally Posted by Damien

On top of a large pile of cash.....

Rather like a Dragon sleeping on its hoard ?

yep

Originally Posted by orangebird

Holy crap. Now the mother's wanting to sue the school for not telling her.... not quite sure what legal grounds she has to rely on there??? Money money money...

If she was really so cheesed of she should be campaining for a change in the law, not persuing the school in court for doing what was legally correct, and what the girl requested.

And the father of the baby was 13!!!!!!!!!

At the risk of sounding callous, I think the girl made the best decision.

As I predicted in my first post in this thread. *Shakes head* So lets face it, she couldnt care less that her kid had an abortion she just wants the cash for the emotional distress she was caused.

Originally Posted by zovat

I really wonder how he sleeps at night...

While I concur with you to a degree, people do have the option to say no. He's far from my favourite person in the world, but the people who elect to use his services aren`t that far removed from his level, all they are thinking of is the £ signs lighting up in their eyes.

[Jon M]

Originally Posted by orangebird

No. It's not human at six weeks. Learn about these things.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3846525.stm

Sorry to rake up old ground again.
An interesting article nonetheless.

[Ramrod]

Good link. The more I read about this kind of thing the more anything other than very early abortion disturbes me greatly. I have read some really heart rending stuff in the Times in the last week regarding abortions.

[Bex]

Originally Posted by s1lv3r

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3846525.stm

Sorry to rake up old ground again.
An interesting article nonetheless.

i watched the news last night and i saw the footage of the scans. it was amazing to see. it really is going to fuel the abortion debate. if a foetus is that responsive at 12weeks when it is still legal to abort it, it is going to cause an up roar with the pro-lifers

[Ramrod]

I have always been in favour of abortion but this is definitely making me think again.....