School helped secret abortion - Page 8

**Maggy** · 13-05-2004, 21:12

You know I've seen so many comments about feckless uncaring parents made on this site.Now you all seem to be saying lets ignore all parents because of the feckless few!!

The government can't have it both ways.They can't sue because parents condone truancy and then turn round and deny parents the right and duty to be involved in such decisions.If this carries on then all parents are to become what?Irelevant?

I think I'm going to have to unsubscribe before I really get to namecalling.Some of you are just not thinking things through.Stop empathising and start thinking about long term issues.

Ramrod · 13-05-2004, 21:13

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

On what legal grounds?

The grounds that she is a minor, ultimately under my protection. Especially if she then suffered from the possible side effects.

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Common side effects include bleeding, menstrual-type pain and cramping, which are comparable to those of surgical abortion. Women needing painkillers are given analgesics. Some women also experience some nausea, vomiting or diarrhea from the prostaglandin.

About one percent of women who take the drug combination experience heavy bleeding which requires further treatment. In clinical studies on RU 486, incomplete abortion occurred in 2-3% of cases and pregnancy persisted in 1%. These women then required surgical abortions.

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I'd be more concerned that my daughter felt that she couldn't come to me.

Absolutely!

kronas · 13-05-2004, 21:15

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

The grounds that she is a minor, ultimately under my protection.

as i pointed out in a diffarent way...........

but nooooooo lets have the state do it all

Xaccers · 13-05-2004, 21:18

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

The grounds that she is a minor, ultimately under my protection. Especially if she then suffered from the possible side effects.

Legally her medical history is confidential, you have no right as a parent to be informed.
If she chooses to inform you, fine, if not, then you'll never know.
My ex had an abortion at 16, her family have no idea.

Xaccers · 13-05-2004, 21:21

Incog, what's the latin saying? In loco parentus? Means when they children are at school, the teachers are considered their guardians/parents?

Ramrod · 13-05-2004, 21:22

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Legally her medical history is confidential, you have no right as a parent to be informed.
If she chooses to inform you, fine, if not, then you'll never know.
My ex had an abortion at 16, her family have no idea.

afaik the medical history is confidental at 16....not 14

Ramrod · 13-05-2004, 21:23

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

You know I've seen so many comments about feckless uncaring parents made on this site.Now you all seem to be saying lets ignore all parents because of the feckless few!!

The government can't have it both ways.They can't sue because parents condone truancy and then turn round and deny parents the right and duty to be involved in such decisions.If this carries on then all parents are to become what?Irelevant?

I think I'm going to have to unsubscribe before I really get to namecalling.Some of you are just not thinking things through.Stop empathising and start thinking about long term issues.

Damn straight!

Xaccers · 13-05-2004, 21:38

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

afaik the medical history is confidental at 16....not 14

It's not put in your medical history, nor are any visits to GUM clinics.

Ramrod · 13-05-2004, 21:42

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

It's not put in your medical history, nor are any visits to GUM clinics.

Eh? Explain please......

**Maggy** · 13-05-2004, 21:45

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Incog, what's the latin saying? In loco parentus? Means when they children are at school, the teachers are considered their guardians/parents?

Oh NO! not that one.

I'm in loco parentis but I'd only go as far as a life or death situation in regards to that phrase.Abortions don't count.

**Damien** · 13-05-2004, 21:48

If you have to tell parents then in the event of a problem at home children will have NO ONE to turn to NO ONE.

We can not allow that to happen

Xaccers · 13-05-2004, 21:50

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Eh? Explain please......

Abortions and GUM clinic visits are not kept in your medical history.

Xaccers · 13-05-2004, 21:52

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Originally Posted by Damien

If you have to tell parents then in the event of a problem at home children will have NO ONE to turn to NO ONE.

We can not allow that to happen

Exactly.
Health workers will inform the parents unless the child forbids it, but they will do everything in their power to get the child to give permission for the parents to be involved.
But what if the parents are involved and force the girl to not have an abortion, even though she wants one? Is that right?

**Damien** · 13-05-2004, 21:57

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Exactly.
Health workers will inform the parents unless the child forbids it, but they will do everything in their power to get the child to give permission for the parents to be involved.
But what if the parents are involved and force the girl to not have an abortion, even though she wants one? Is that right?

No, which is why I said that parents should not be told if the child does not want to. More troubling is if a child is being abused and cannot go any where as there parents would know and such.

**Maggy** · 13-05-2004, 22:03

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Originally Posted by Damien

No, which is why I said that parents should not be told if the child does not want to. More troubling is if a child is being abused and cannot go any where as there parents would know and such.

Well in that case social services would be involved and it is a whole new ball game after that.However why should good,caring parents be cut out of the loop because of a few bad parents?I'm positive that's NOT what the government envisaged.

Incog.Still posting despite her misgivings.